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Old Sat Nov 29, 2008, 07:05pm
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And this story affects umpires, how?

I personally don't care if girls play baseball or not. I think that if girls want to play with boys, they should be treated equally - right down to the showers and the locker room. They want to be equal, then they should be equal all the way. Typical N.A.G. thinking results in girls being on the team and being "equal" but then they need their own locker room and shower.
So you do care if girls play baseball.
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Old Sat Nov 29, 2008, 07:49pm
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So you do care if girls play baseball.
Re-read my post, Kevin. I don't care if they play. What I care about is that women want to be equal with conditions. That is not equality in my book. Some people think that this is "cave man thinking" (like Ump153 does) but I've been through enough of this "equality crap" in my life and I don't have to agree with it!
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Old Mon Dec 01, 2008, 06:14pm
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Re-read my post, Kevin. I don't care if they play. What I care about is that women want to be equal with conditions. That is not equality in my book. Some people think that this is "cave man thinking" (like Ump153 does) but I've been through enough of this "equality crap" in my life and I don't have to agree with it!
Well, if you want to impose limits on yourself in this one life, you are free to do so. I have no problem with your opinion. Just admit the truth of your exclusive stance.

That statement shows rather vividly that you indeed care that women not be allowed to play baseball alongside men. By proposing the unworkable requirement of having a woman dressing and undressing alongside men reveals your bias against the concept, and is the genesis of your being accused of having Neanderthal thinking.
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Old Tue Dec 02, 2008, 09:51am
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Re-read my post, Kevin. I don't care if they play. What I care about is that women want to be equal with conditions. That is not equality in my book. Some people think that this is "cave man thinking" (like Ump153 does) but I've been through enough of this "equality crap" in my life and I don't have to agree with it!
I guess you don't have daughters. Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia where the women can't drive..... Just a thought.
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Old Tue Dec 02, 2008, 10:37am
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In the 1984 Olympics, I watched a team of studs like Mark McGwire, B.J. Surhoff, Will Clark, Cory Snyder, Barry Larkin and Shane Mack get their asses handed to them by a Japanese team with a bunch of little guys who were built like Ichiro. It was astonishing how a bunch of little finesse guys could beat a powerhouse like that.

So I can see how a woman could finesse her way onto a club and contribute just fine. It is an occasional exceptional gal who brushes with greatness enough to compete at the same level as guys ... the Michelle Wie of baseball, if you will. For people like us to have the door closed seems inappropriate and based almost solely on bigoted thinking.

However, I do not have a stomach for the social and legal nonsense that JKumpire alluded to that often arises from issues like these. I also laugh at specious contentions made about the overall equality of male and female athletes ("The WNBA is just as competitive as the men's NBA, so why don't they get paid like the men?").

We are legally and socially equal, but not physically. A woman who makes it in competitive baseball will do so with a style of play that is based on guile and finesse, along with a huge share of character and determination. It will be a rare and remarkable woman who'll do it, but it can happen.
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Old Tue Dec 02, 2008, 11:46am
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I guess you don't have daughters. Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia where the women can't drive..... Just a thought.
You know what? I happen to have two daughters who agree that if you want equality, it should be equality all the way! they played softball and girl's basketball. Neither would dream of playing baseball as they both said that men are barbaric when it comes to sports (that's their opinion, not mine).

Now you can take your statement and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, there Gordie! And so can the rest of you out there!
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Old Tue Dec 02, 2008, 12:12pm
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You know what? I happen to have two daughters who agree that if you want equality, it should be equality all the way! they played softball and girl's basketball. Neither would dream of playing baseball as they both said that men are barbaric when it comes to sports (that's their opinion, not mine).

Now you can take your statement and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, there Gordie! And so can the rest of you out there!
Often you will see that along with narrow-mindedness also comes extreme defensiveness. Since your views are obviously biased and knee-jerk in nature, it is unlikely that anything close to a majority would agree--even in the relatively conservative legion of umpires. I am sorry that you think that your narrow brand of thinking goes on in anything close to the majority of people, because it does not. Your being defensive about it to the exclusion of all others, and in the process, to the exclusion of intelligent debate, is quite common among those who form their beliefs in that manner, and serves to prove that your stance is weak. Your narrow, little world that includes and considers only your experiences, has yielded an unrealistic and somewhat backward picture for all of us to see.

After spewing that crap, you were bound to get lit up. Take it with a whole lot more grace.

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