Not even

[bob jenkins]

One moderators take on this:

1) I agree that I would not have deleted many of the posts in the closed thread that Tim C started. That said, I know I didn't see them all.

2) Just like when we're on the field, comments about officiating (the calls) are generally acceptable; comments about the officials (personal) are not.

3) As one example, Kevin's "letter to the moderator" posted in this thread contains a personal attack (something like, "The truth about this is something you can't handle and you're supposed to be an official."). That's something that would normally be deleted. The questions he asks ("Why were my posts deleted?") are valid (I've been asked that before, and responded with my reasoning to the requestor.)

4) If I'm "in a good mood" I'll edit the post; if not, I'll just delete it all. The latter happens more often than the former.

5) My opinion of SDS' posts (since that's what seemed to precipitate this latest discussion) on Ed H (as I recall them -- but my memory isn't what they used to be): The were pure "fan-boyish" (I recall the trite "he cost us the game" BS) and didn't help anyone become a better official, especially on a baseball forum (I'm led to believe that there were posts on the football forum, but I didn't read any of those). I don't recall them being too personal, though.

6) In some discussions the moderators had about the thread, I discovered that the other moderator is "going through a rough patch." He apologized (both publically and privately) and even though it doesn't get the posts back, I'm inclined to cut him a break.

[Kevin Finnerty]

That was something that I wrote in a message (which was very true) and then later decided to make public, because it is related to a public issue. I said the truth--the plain truth--in my posts and they were summarily deleted for no reason and only then was the thread locked.

Come on. Locking it is one thing, but hand picking a few posts and deleting them before you lock it is really a violation of how these things are supposed to operate. I'm no youngster.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

One moderators take on this:
6) In some discussions the moderators had about the thread, I discovered that the other moderator is "going through a rough patch." He apologized (both publically and privately) and even though it doesn't get the posts back, I'm inclined to cut him a break.

I am a sympathetic person, but this is a poor excuse for deleting my posts and others' posts this morning. You need to take more control, perhaps.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I am a sympathetic person, but this is a poor excuse for deleting my posts and others' posts this morning. You need to take more control, perhaps.

Kevin,
Nobody disagrees with you.
The apology was made.
The posts are gone.
Please allow this subject to rest in peace.
Thanks.
mick

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by mick

Kevin,
Nobody disagrees with you.
The apology was made.
The posts are gone.
Please allow this subject to rest in peace.
Thanks.
mick

Uh, sorry, but there is a very broad issue that involves others and not just myself and my posts. Sorry you see things through a narrow lens. Tim C. got taken for a ride and it created an examination of some unfair practices. Excuse making aside.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I like to bring a bit of humor when I can when. I finally stopped lurking and joined this forum to mix things up a little. But this is rediculous.

Just like Hacksaw Hamilton's hair...

Oh yeah...Lighten up Francis stands the test of time....CLASSIC

[SethPDX]

Well, the posts everyone's talking about got deleted before I got online, so (if we're quoting movies) "I have NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!" You have to get up pretty early in the morning to read the "good" posts.

And Stripes is one of my favorites. That's just one of the good lines in it.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

Well, the posts everyone's talking about got deleted before I got online, so (if we're quoting movies) "I have NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!" You have to get up pretty early in the morning to read the "good" posts.

And Stripes is one of my favorites. That's just one of the good lines in it.

Take one step back Winger...Move it...

That's why the guys in the auto club call me the Cruiser...

There was one?

You got a 6-8 week training plan..Which is perfect for me..

[mick]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Uh, sorry, but there is a very broad issue that involves others and not just myself and my posts. Sorry you see things through a narrow lens. Tim C. got taken for a ride and it created an examination of some unfair practices. Excuse making aside.

Yeah, I cannot disagree with you.
I don't get out much.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by mick

Yeah, I cannot disagree with you.
I don't get out much.

It's all good.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

5) My opinion of SDS' posts (since that's what seemed to precipitate this latest discussion) on Ed H (as I recall them -- but my memory isn't what they used to be): The were pure "fan-boyish" (I recall the trite "he cost us the game" BS) and didn't help anyone become a better official, especially on a baseball forum (I'm led to believe that there were posts on the football forum, but I didn't read any of those). I don't recall them being too personal, though.

I said that he cost the Chargers the game, not "us." I don't play for the Chargers. Also, this was on the football board (not the baseball board), and the posts followed many others who felt that the call was wrong. I guess because I do follow the Chargers, and I'm from San Diego, and another Charger fan was getting shellacked at the same time, that my comments came off as "fanboyish." Well, on Sunday's, my officials hat comes off (seeing as though I am retired), and my Lightning Bolts get strapped on. My comments were made in the heat of the moment, while still seething from the events of the game.

I had all but forgotten the whole thing, when some lame poster decided it was a good idea to remind me about my little tirade weeks later on the baseball board. He felt it necessary to rehash the whole thing, and I merely stood up for my post and defended my actions. The subject of Ed H. would never have made it to the baseball side of the forum except for this individual's insistence on dragging out the already dead horse and beating on it some more.

It is true that his call did cost them the game, as without the call the
Chargers would have simply ran out the clock, but I never insulted Ed H. on a personal level. I did not impune his integrity, malign him or his family, call him any names, talk about his mama, etc. I did not accuse him of intentionally blowing the call. I merely expressed myself about the call being quite horrible, which is undeniable.

Nothing at all like the beating I take quite often from certain individuals on this forum.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I had all but forgotten the whole thing, when some lame poster decided it was a good idea to remind me about my little tirade weeks later on the baseball board. He felt it necessary to rehash the whole thing, and I merely stood up for my post and defended my actions.

Is this vvvv

Originally Posted by lame poster

Yeah, with some inane post about Ed Hochuli on the football boards.

what you "call rehashing the whole thing"? Me thinks someone has a problem with hyperbole.



Now, below would be the "inane post" referenced above and some lame poster's response to that "inane post". I really love the reference to ESPN sportcasters and how the ball slipping out of Cutler's hand is somehow a great play by the SD defense.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, everyone is piling on the Chargers fan here. I never said Hochuli wasn't human, I just said he cost the Chargers the game. Which he did. It wasn't the Chargers porous defense or any other "if" scenarios posted. The Chargers recovered what should have been a fumble. They shouldn't have been put in the situation to let Cutler get another chance to score and then go for two. That should have never occurred. What led up to the score being what it was is irrelevant. The call cost them the ball, and cost them the game because they would have easily ran out the clock. Game over.

And I'm not just some fan, I've refereed football and basketball in addition to all the baseball I've umpired. I've never made a call that horrible in my life in any sport, so stop trying to defend Hochuli as "being human." He's a human that cost the Chargers the game, and I'm not the only one who thinks so. Every sportscaster on ESPN seem to agree. What the defense did or didn't do earlier in the game all came down to a great play by the defense being overturned by a BAD CALL. Does San Diego need to improve on defense? Of course they do, but it isn't the reason they lost this one.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I peruse the Baseball forum. Anytime anyone blames an umpire for a loss or for costing his team a run that person gets ripped. Guess it's just a different standard for other sports, right?

[mick]

Play nicely.

[SanDiegoSteve]

See what I mean. Just can't quit beating the dead horse. That post belongs over on the football boards, so why are you bringing it back to life over here?

The great play by the Chargers was the recovery of the fumble, errrrrr...incomplete pass. And not only the ESPN sportscasters, but Jim Rome, Dan Patrick, J.T. The Brick, every local, state and national talk show host, plus every rational human being on the planet familiar with the play said the call cost the Chargers the game. Face it, it did.

NOW GET OFF MY A$S!

P.S. Notice how I didn't say "us" or "we?" I don't play for the Chargers.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

See what I mean. Just can't quit beating the dead horse. That post belongs over on the football boards, so why are you bringing it back to life over here?

Exactly. I remember the original discussion over the Hochuli call. I found the reference to a post about that several weeks later in a baseball thread to be totally unnecessary. That is, unless people have yet to get beyond what was said back then...