No Time Out

[njdevs00cup]

Men's league, American League rules. R2 and R1 after a single (ball is still live). Pitching change, w/ no time out. F6 runs off of the field to take off his white undershirt and pitch. R1 leaves the base to go to the dugout.

Can R1 be put out in this situation?

[JJ]

Explain how you can have a pitching change without timeout being called. Let's see....the coach notifies the umpire that there's a pitching change....players change positions...the new pitcher takes his warmups....

It SHOULD read

Let's see....the coach notifies the umpire there will be a pitching change....TIME!....etc, etc, etc.

There has never been a pitching change (ESPECIALLY mid-inning with runners on base) in any game I've ever worked where time has not been called. Or any game I've ever heard of. Until your post.

So the question is moot.

JJ

[njdevs00cup]

Originally Posted by JJ

Explain how you can have a pitching change without timeout being called. Let's see....the coach notifies the umpire that there's a pitching change....players change positions...the new pitcher takes his warmups....

It SHOULD read

Let's see....the coach notifies the umpire there will be a pitching change....TIME!....etc, etc, etc.

There has never be a pitching change (mid-inning) in any game I've ever worked where time has not been called. Or any game I've ever heard of. Until your post.

So the question is moot.

JJ

The coach is F6, on the field. I ask the question because I have never seen it myself!

[JJ]

If I saw these events beginning to unfold, I would call time. If something goofy happened, I would have simply said, "I had time".
If you have never heard of it either, from whence doth thy query originate?

[njdevs00cup]

Originally Posted by JJ

If I saw these events beginning to unfold, I would call time. If something goofy happened, I would have simply said, "I had time".
If you have never heard of it either, from whence doth thy query originate?

Men's league games tend to provide ample fodder for "things that make you go HMMMM!" I (BU) did not call time because if the runners had realized that time was not called they could have advanced.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Men's league games tend to provide ample fodder for "things that make you go HMMMM!" I (BU) did not call time because if the runners had realized that time was not called they could have advanced.

No, they could not have. time was out (whether specifically declared by you or not).

1) don't be a plumber.

2) don't pick up the s**** end of the stick

3) umpire with the book, not by the book.

etc.

[tballump]

Seems like you are in some player/coach games. Usually, from reading on this site and other articles, the umpires try to keep the ball "alive" as much as possible without calling time-out after every play. This keeps direct appeal plays possible, hidden ball trick possible, and keeps the game moving, not to mention the possibility of getting another out if the runner decides to gamble and run with the ball in the infield area.

When F6 player/coach came towards the mound you would immediately have to call time-out and follow him to the mound to make sure he does not talk any strategy with the pitcher and to decide whether to charge a conference or not and notify the oppossing team if a conference is or is not charged.

If F6 is not the player/coach, call time-out the first time he goes to the mound. However, remind F6 that you are not going to be call unnecessary time-outs all game, and that he must request time-out, otherwise the ball remains in play and runners can advance.

It sounds as if it was known that F6 was going to switch and become the pitcher, so it would seem time-out should be called as Bob Jenkins mentioned, just as if a coach/manager was making a trip out of the dugout, or making a change on his way to the mound.

[bluezebra]

"Illegal substitution, defense. Five yard penalty. First down".

Bob

[JJ]

Let's not forget "offsides" for the player running into the dugout. That's another 5 yards...

JJ

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JJ

Let's not forget "offsides" for the player running into the dugout. That's another 5 yards...

JJ

But it was R1 who went to the dugout. Shouldn't these penalties offset?

[umpduck11]

You shoulda swept the plate.....

[bobbybanaduck]

why did he have to take off his undershirt?

[njdevs00cup]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

why did he have to take off his undershirt?

White, long sleeve

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Men's league, American League rules.

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

White, long sleeve

this is not a rule.