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Agreed. In FED the act of leaving the coaching box to argue a call is not by itself 'ejectable'. If the coach, in my judgement, exhibits behavior inconsistant with the spirit of fair play, he is subject to warning or ejection.
Here is an interesting situation for NCAA guys. NCAA rule 3-2 says ' no assitant coach may leave their position anywhere to to appeal an umpires decision'. May the Head coach? Appeal in this case means argue?
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Not to speak for Tim, but it seems to me that he referring to a game below the collegiate level.
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I have no problem discussing a call with a head coach, ever. If the HC asks for time and approaches me in a calm manner we can discuss almost anything. The coach in this clip didn't have far to go because the umpire was standing there. Absent a request for time to discuss the play, I would have been hightailing it to A, so the coach would have to follow me across the diamond to talk.
Just curious, how do you address a HC who is yelling from the bench at you?
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Mon Aug 04, 2008, 08:43am
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Alot is being made about the umpire not scurrying back to his position. If you notice..as soon as he makes the out call...he starts to take a couple steps backward, even starting to turn sideways...indicating to me he is heading back to his position, when the 3rd base coach comes out on him.
Umpire stops...both have their say..and moves on. About the only thing I see is maybe he couldve shut down the coach a bit quicker, holding up a hand, tell him to get his carcass back in the box. Run him for that? Yeah, I guess maybe, if he says one of the magic words. But your much better served on game management if you dont. Because the way it plays here...the throw comes in..looks like an out..you whack it. Coach voices his momentary displeasure...you give him a quick "nope...tag was there"...and its over. Makes it look like you handled everything start to finish, that your the one in control.
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Mon Aug 04, 2008, 10:03am
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I'm not going to 'ignore' a coach who jogs out to talk to me either. I will more than likely call time before he reaches my position. I think we are more or less in alignment on what we would do, on the field.
I asked the 'yelling from the bench' question, because I had a coach leave the dugout and stand there complaining about something. I ignored him until he started getting on me for ignoring him. He said something about "Don't you ignore me, I'm talking to you". So I stopped ignoring him and I said something to him about getting his butt back in the dugout, which he did.
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Mon Aug 04, 2008, 10:11am
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Hmm,
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We all have different levels of what is acceptable. Knowing that I am not even close to an ejection here. This is a real "common" type situation. From high school and above I really don't see any reason for an ejection. RP: Why call "TIME" there is no one on base. Regards, Edit; I also would like to have the seen the umpire not moving when he made the call. Even though he is out of frame it is obvious that he did not come set before the call. T Last edited by Tim C; Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:16am.
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Mon Aug 04, 2008, 10:54am
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Tim, in this instance, the BR being thrown out at 3b, I probably wouldn't be concerned about time. I was thinking about a coach coming to the mound, where I call time as I see him coming out.
My thoughts were the same on the umpire looking like he's still moving on the call. How many of you don't actually pivot on a sure extra base hit? I'm more inclined to not pivot and just sprint directly toward the 2b cut-out, glancing at the touch of 1b over my left shoulder. In the clip, it probably would have been better had he stopped to see the play, then move several steps closer to make the call. Just my 2cents.
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Mon Aug 04, 2008, 02:27pm
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No reason to eject here.
Since when does the coach need to call time to argue?  LOL I too won't pick on something petty like that. Just gonna make things worse.I also am NOT going to run away from the play immediately either! When I am making the "big call" I am staying down and staring at the play. Yup, this DOES invite them to come out. No problem. Me staying there or not, if they WANT to come out on me they will, and staying there means less time wasted waiting for the coach to make it across to field towards me. I also think that leaving the position too soon makes it appear that you know you blew the call and are "running away" from it. MANY coaches agree with this perception. Just ask around a bit. I have no judgement on the call itself. It is somewhat grainy video coming from youtube and the shot is not still to evaluate it well. As to the umpire moving while the play happened, I think this is becoming more and more "acceptable". You see it all over the place now. MLB, MiLB, D1, etc... I would say half the video shown at last years NCAA Regional Clinic that included a base umpire showed the guy moving, and close to half had the home plate ump moving too! I have mixed thoughts about that. I was chastised by some guys in my college group for suggesting at the 2007 Regional Clinic that soccer referee's have been making calls on subtle things that happen while at a dead sprint for years and getting it right, why can't an umpire make some of the easier calls while moving? On some calls, I think staying still it adventageous, on others, I think it prevents you from actually SEEING the play. So, it is tough to say when and where you should be moving or set to make calls. I suppose your experience will guide you on that.
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My method: I make the call with good timing, turn, and jog back to the A position. With good timing, it certainly doesn't look like you're running out of there. All that said, I wouldn't have stayed as long as the guy in the clip. I expect a coach to disagree with the call, it went against him, after all. And coming completely set and being critical of a call where the umpire isn't is overrated, I agree. I work basketball and many of my calls are made on the run.
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