Run Him?

[Lawrence.Dorsey]

I had the very same play in a Jr AL game about 3-4 years ago. Same deal except I don't remember the coach coming out on the field but he was hot. I simply looked at him and said "Scott, the throw was in time and the tag was down.". I turned and walked away and left him to argue with himself. No ejection...

Lawrence

[David B]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

If this were a HS or similar level game, would you have run the third base coach?

Clip


Tim.

No reason to - as Rich said why even talk to him. Call the out and move on immediately.

Thanks
David

[Tim C]

Tim:

We all have different levels of what is acceptable.

Knowing that I am not even close to an ejection here. This is a real "common" type situation. From high school and above I really don't see any reason for an ejection.

RP: Why call "TIME" there is no one on base.


Regards,

Edit;

I also would like to have the seen the umpire not moving when he made the call. Even though he is out of frame it is obvious that he did not come set before the call.

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[RPatrino]

Tim, in this instance, the BR being thrown out at 3b, I probably wouldn't be concerned about time. I was thinking about a coach coming to the mound, where I call time as I see him coming out.

My thoughts were the same on the umpire looking like he's still moving on the call. How many of you don't actually pivot on a sure extra base hit? I'm more inclined to not pivot and just sprint directly toward the 2b cut-out, glancing at the touch of 1b over my left shoulder. In the clip, it probably would have been better had he stopped to see the play, then move several steps closer to make the call. Just my 2cents.

No reason to eject here.

Since when does the coach need to call time to argue? LOL I too won't pick on something petty like that. Just gonna make things worse.

I also am NOT going to run away from the play immediately either! When I am making the "big call" I am staying down and staring at the play. Yup, this DOES invite them to come out. No problem. Me staying there or not, if they WANT to come out on me they will, and staying there means less time wasted waiting for the coach to make it across to field towards me. I also think that leaving the position too soon makes it appear that you know you blew the call and are "running away" from it. MANY coaches agree with this perception. Just ask around a bit.

I have no judgement on the call itself. It is somewhat grainy video coming from youtube and the shot is not still to evaluate it well.

As to the umpire moving while the play happened, I think this is becoming more and more "acceptable". You see it all over the place now. MLB, MiLB, D1, etc... I would say half the video shown at last years NCAA Regional Clinic that included a base umpire showed the guy moving, and close to half had the home plate ump moving too! I have mixed thoughts about that. I was chastised by some guys in my college group for suggesting at the 2007 Regional Clinic that soccer referee's have been making calls on subtle things that happen while at a dead sprint for years and getting it right, why can't an umpire make some of the easier calls while moving?

On some calls, I think staying still it adventageous, on others, I think it prevents you from actually SEEING the play. So, it is tough to say when and where you should be moving or set to make calls. I suppose your experience will guide you on that.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rei

No reason to eject here.

Since when does the coach need to call time to argue? LOL I too won't pick on something petty like that. Just gonna make things worse.

I also am NOT going to run away from the play immediately either! When I am making the "big call" I am staying down and staring at the play. Yup, this DOES invite them to come out. No problem. Me staying there or not, if they WANT to come out on me they will, and staying there means less time wasted waiting for the coach to make it across to field towards me. I also think that leaving the position too soon makes it appear that you know you blew the call and are "running away" from it. MANY coaches agree with this perception. Just ask around a bit.

I think there are two sides to this, really. On one hand, if you stay, it looks like you're looking for a fight. If you go quickly, it looks like you are running away.

My method: I make the call with good timing, turn, and jog back to the A position. With good timing, it certainly doesn't look like you're running out of there. All that said, I wouldn't have stayed as long as the guy in the clip. I expect a coach to disagree with the call, it went against him, after all.

And coming completely set and being critical of a call where the umpire isn't is overrated, I agree. I work basketball and many of my calls are made on the run.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And coming completely set and being critical of a call where the umpire isn't is overrated, I agree. I work basketball and many of my calls are made on the run.

Rich, calling for pizza on your way off the court doesn't qualify as making a call on the run.

[Jim Camp]

I would not run him unless he got personnel. Also why would the ones that said they would be headed back to the first base line leave so quick?? It was a very close play. I would have also called him out.