Twins...Gardy ejection last night

[Rich]

Originally Posted by UMPINSACTOWN

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/...goryId=2521705

It shows the play in question in the clip above, but what it doesn't show is the shot I saw on ESPN this morning which was from down the 3rd base line. He was definitely pulling the bat back as he was trying to avoid being hit. Foster blew the call in my opinion and the ESPN anchors indicated that as well.

Well, that gives Gardenhire the right to come out, f-bomb the umpires, and almost start a riot. Yup. How dare the umpire eject him? He should've been issuing public apologies!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Rich,

Not once did the guy you quoted say he shouldnt've been ejected. He just said he thought he kicked it. But look at it from Gardenhire's pov. Wouldn't you have been pissed as well?

I always wonder why the first reaction is rage. I mean, he didn't even take the time to look at a replay before deciding that the umpire was bending him over and screwing him.

After 20 years of witnessing these types first hand, I wonder why I'm still surprised.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

I have recently noticed your reactions in these kinds of situations. You never played? When you thought the umpire kicked one you didn't get pissed?

We all played. But when us older guys played, we were much less combative with the umpires. We would grumble and put up a little argument when we disagreed, but the only thing we were advised to say to the umpire after the game was "nice game, sir." If I would have ever gotten myself kicked out of a game for arguing, my dad would have kicked my a$s up and down and made me go apologize to the umpire.

The last couple of generations have produced more than a few who display a pattern of disrespect for authority, as evidenced by guys like Delmon Young, who slung his bat into the chest of an umpire, and many other shining examples of poor sportsmanship which weren't even heard of in our day.

Also, when one becomes an umpire, he/she must make a choice. You either embrace umpiring, and come at the game from an umpire's point of view, or continue to defend the rats. You can't really be an effective umpire sitting on the fence. Make a stand. Either you're an umpire or a rat. The coaches have a job to do, and that is argue and stand up for their players. The umpires have to approach the job as umpires.

Originally Posted by msavakinas

It doesn't make Gardy a rat bast*rd.

You're right, this isn't what makes Gardenhire a rat bast*rd.

[Delaware Blue]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

If I would have ever gotten myself kicked out of a game for arguing, my dad would have kicked my a$s up and down and made me go apologize to the umpire.

Sounds like what my dad would have done...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

I have recently noticed your reactions in these kinds of situations. You never played? When you thought the umpire kicked one you didn't get pissed? You never had a coach get dumped? I got dumped two years ago as a player and I was a catcher. That's never good for the umpire. And yes I umpired at the time. That was my only one though...

Maybe Gardy just thought hey alright I'm gonna go get dumped because it shows the players that he is sticking up for them and he honestly believed that foster missed it. Which he did. It isn't that big of a deal. Just a routine ejection. It happens and is part of the game. It doesn't make Gardy a rat bast*rd.

Now why is the first reaction rage? Because they are competitive. They care about their jobs and they want to win! It is why all of us played the game. We want to win and be the best. And when we (the umpires) kick one, that is taking one from them. Some just handle it better than others. That's why we are given the power to kick them out.

I'm 40. When I played, if I would've gotten ejected, my coaches would've suspended me themselves. My coaches never got ejected. We referred to the officials as "sir" and showed respect at all times. My manager would go out but was very careful to never, NEVER show the umpire up.

It's not that way anymore, and it's sad. Gardy's first reaction shouldn't be to throttle the umpire cause he thinks he missed a call. Do you ever see a manager go nuts over one that an umpire got RIGHT? Ever see an apology in print or on TV for that behavior?

It's a trickle down thing and it's not getting better. Now I see high school coaches come out like that: Hint, charge out of the dugout at me and I really don't care what you have to say, you're probably leaving.

Gardy's a rat *******. He's been tossed 5 times this season and 41 times in his short career.

[TussAgee11]

What is most puzzling to me about this fracas is that I heard on Baseball Tonight the umpires "went into the stands".

That's all I really heard, and I never saw a clip of it.

Anybody actually watching the game can shed some light on it maybe.

[LouDore]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

What is most puzzling to me about this fracas is that I heard on Baseball Tonight the umpires "went into the stands".

i watched this game. i didn't see any umpires go into the stands.

[TussAgee11]

Well, leave it to the journalists at ESPN to say they did...

All they do is stir up controversy over there....

Thanks.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Well, leave it to the journalists at ESPN to say they did...

All they do is stir up controversy over there....

Thanks.

Sounds like you're trying to stir up controversy over here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Ok that's not his first reaction. I'm sure he thinks about it before he goes out there. He knows what's going to happen. It's part of our job to put up with it and eject when necessary. I'm not sure why you and some others make it out to be such a big deal when it happens at that level.

Yes I have seen an apology for that behavior. Bob Boone, while managing the reds, told the umpire after he got tossed (during the argument) that if he was wrong he would issue a public apology, and he did the next day.

Then why is there so much pressure on high school coaches to win?? It's not their fault. It's the fault of those around them. If they don't win then they lose their jobs. That's why they get so pissed off when we miss one. Especially in high school and college where one win could affect the outcome of the season dramatically. In MLB at least they have 162 to take care of business.

2 of 4 the umpire missed one, and in the one where Hoye dumped him for not giving a warning, Hoye should've dumped the pitcher because he threw behind Mauer two times in a row and they had already had problems that series with hit batters. But that's a judgement call.

One game suspension. Guess it wasn't routine after all.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

The ejection was. What happened afterwards with the fans wasn't. It's their fault he got suspended.

It's not routine. That's the point.

However, the way he was ejected was something we can learn from. Quick, no emotion, wave of the hand, get out.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Then why is there so much pressure on high school coaches to win?? It's not their fault. It's the fault of those around them. If they don't win then they lose their jobs. That's why they get so pissed off when we miss one. Especially in high school and college where one win could affect the outcome of the season dramatically. In MLB at least they have 162 to take care of business.

If a coach believes one call led to a loss, he's stupid. If a coach believes any umpire is perfect and doesn't miss one once in a while, he's an idiot, and probably shouldn't be influencing young men anyway.