Iowa/Dayton

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Surprised no posts on this yet....

Rescinding ejections???? What the HELL are they thinking??? Might as well light a match to see if there is gas in the tank...

[umpjayfire]

i am troubled by this...let me first to say that the Midwest League President is a good man but I think he erred here...if they don't want to use pitchers as position players to complete the game than forfeit....if you act like that, i think you forfeit your privilege to play ball anyway

[johnnyg08]

http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/n...ory?id=3504480

[johnnyg08]

This is a bad, bad precedent.

[Rich]

The worst part is that the kids umpiring this game have no choice but to stay unless they want to piss their careers away. In the real world, we'd head to the car no matter what a league president had to say.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE

Might as well light a match to see if there is gas in the tank...

After a Peoria player was hit in the top of the first, Castillo hit two batters in the bottom half -- one in the head. The second hit batsmen by Castillo, Angel Cabrerra, made an aggressive slide into second to break up a double play. Castillo followed that by throwing his next pitch up-and-in to the next Dayton batter

The place was already on fire.

No ejections at this point. Why wasn't something done before the fight broke out?

[johnnyg08]

why would they, the league president would've reversed them anyway...what a joke. yep, i agree...the kids had to stay for that fiasco no matter what...or kiss your chance at the show goodbye.

[Spence]

In the video I saw, it seems like the umpires were hesitant at first to get between the two coaches.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/m/con...tid=1688297742

In 20/20 hindsight,could this have been handled better by the umpires?

[JR12]

Thats all they need is to try to get between then and get hurt or be accused of pushing them.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by JR12

Thats all they need is to try to get between then and get hurt or be accused of pushing them.

I don't buy that. They ultimately ended up getting between them anyways. They just waited too long (or at least the younger one did).

Admittedly, even if they did get between them, I'm not sure what they could have done to get them to quit jawing with each other.

What would you have done to try to mitigate the problem?

[johnnyg08]

it's not really their duty to break up fights is it?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

it's not really their duty to break up fights is it?

Break up? No. Help prevent?

I realize there's no book on this but I'm simply curious as what type of preventative measures could have taken place.

[mrumpire11]

sure this probably could of been handled better, but the outcome was probably still going to be the same. so you issue warnings or eject the pitcher, at this level you don’t know what these players are going to do. regardless, once the managers start going at it shi* has already hit the fan. this isn't the first time that a league president has reinstated players to finish a game. it happened in back to back games in the south atlantic league last year.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Spence

In the video I saw, it seems like the umpires were hesitant at first to get between the two coaches.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/m/con...tid=1688297742

In 20/20 hindsight,could this have been handled better by the umpires?

I am not going to question the umpire's actions here and I think that the actions of the League President were apprehensible but it's the Minor's people, what more do you expect?

Now if this were an amateur game such as we do, you have to ask yourself, "Well one of the managers has to cross the field to get nose to nose with the other and I am pretty sure what the "meeting" was going to be about." so I would probably dump the manager who is crossing the field because he is obviously not looking to resolve anything here. I know that a lot of people are asking why not dump F1 for throwing at batters. The problem is, you better be damn sure that F1 is in fact doing this because you will have to explain yourself either to an assigner or in the ejection report. Pitchers do loose control, although, from reading the report, I do not think that loss of control was the case here.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

This is a bad, bad precedent.

This is not a precedent. It has happened before. The league president reversed the ejections to allow the game to continue and conclude. He then reinstated the ejections so that he could enforce fines and suspensions.

Doesn't seem all that terrible of a way to handle it, IMO.