pickoff at 2nd, what's the call?

[chuckfan1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My thinking on the play was, and is, reasonably along the lines of Mr. Umpire. In my reading, and my mind's-eye, F6 didn't "shove" or take any other action designed to cause R2 to leave the base. All F6 did was catch the ball. It was one continuous-action play. It was just a trainwreck.

ymmv. shrug.

I hear ya...but thats not whats described in the post. It didnt say "shove" but it did say R2 was back to the bag, standing on the bag. That seems to indicate the runner had body control, and was on the base.
Then the throw took F6 into the play,,,,had to reach around the runner....off-balance..into the runner, taking them both off the bag. So, from what was described, yes, F6 did take "other" action. He just didnt receive the throw, apply a tag, and knock em both to the ground.
And to me its important, thats its noted that contact was made AFTER f6 recieved the throw. Hes got the ball, and instead of applying the tag, his off-balance actions take them off the bag.

It seems the actions of the play, and F6, with R2 in "control" of the base, are the reason R2 came off. And your going to reward the defense?
What caused R2 to come off? If R2 had control of the base, as the post seems to indicate, then its the actions of F6 that caused him to come off.

Ive ran this by a buddy here in SoCal. He does D1, the Big West Mtn West, and also has done MLB. And currently besides D1, does Independent Minor League stuff here in SoCal also, Golden Baseball League.
Showed him the post. And though he agreed its a HTBT, all evidence points to a safe.
Saying this in not a "normal" play we see. He said if this play happens as described, and an umpire calls this an out, he wont be doing that level for long.
Just another opinion...