Maybe I should have walked him through it........

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In general, PU does NOT have a good look at a swipe tag on the back of BR. PU is "straight lined" and canot tell whether the tag was applied. IIRC, Bob Pariseau (anyone remember him?) tested this at a clinic he was conducting. A large majority of PUs got this call wrong.

I guess we'll have to disagree, Bob. There's no reason, unless the PU plants roots just outside the batters box, that he doesn't have a much better look at a swipe tag from the backside. The play is right in front of us, and unlike the BU, we don't have a body between ourselves and the tag. And sure, I remember Bob. I enjoyed greatly reading his 700 word dissertations on how to signal a foul tip. But I don't lend much credence to his findings at a LL clinic.


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I we'll have to disagree, Bob. There's no reason, unless the PU plants roots just outside the batters box, that he doesn't have a much better look at a swipe tag from the backside. The play is right in front of us, and unlike the BU, we don't have a body between ourselves and the tag. And sure, I remember Bob. I enjoyed greatly reading his 700 word dissertations on how to signal a foul tip. But I don't lend much credence to his findings at a LL clinic.


Tim.

I also tend to disagree with Bob on this one too. The PU certainly has a better view of a swipe tag than does a BU that is out of position so that F3 is blocking his view of the tag. The PU has a look that is the equivalent of the BU's "lean and look" at 1st base on a swipe tag. At least he's not looking directly up the fielder's a$s, and should have a relatively unobstructed view of the play.

I only advocate the BU asking for help before making a call, and only from inside the infield. A BU starting in A with no runners on base should be able to get 100% of pulled feet and swipe tags, no excuses. And since the only time a PU trails the BR up the line is when the BU is in A, the PU should theoretically not have to help on the call. But we know that's not really the case in the "real" world (of horrible partners).

[David B]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I guess we'll have to disagree, Bob. There's no reason, unless the PU plants roots just outside the batters box, that he doesn't have a much better look at a swipe tag from the backside. The play is right in front of us, and unlike the BU, we don't have a body between ourselves and the tag. And sure, I remember Bob. I enjoyed greatly reading his 700 word dissertations on how to signal a foul tip. But I don't lend much credence to his findings at a LL clinic.


Tim.

I would not agree that PU has a "much better look" simply because of the distance. The only time I think PU can really tell if he tagged him would be if the runner is running through the tag.

If F3 is tagging on the backside of the runner, no way PU can really tell if he tags the BR.

But, as you stated, if PU hustles up the line, he could help on the play if asked by BU with no problems and probably no complaints.

Thanks
David