Mets / Braves - Top 5th

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by lawump

Gentlemen,

Correct me if I'm wrong: But if I'm not mistaken precedent was set two seasons ago when a crew changed a "foul" call to "fair" (NOT on a homerun or ground rule double).

Up until that point, we had had reversals of "fair" to "foul" (which are easy to do because all the umps have to do is put everyone back to their TOP base and add a "strike" on the batter's count).

But I believe this play was the first time we had the opposite: A "foul" changed to "fair" (when the ball did not leave the playing field), all pursuant to the "get it right" mantra.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves me correct, this was a big to-do two seasons ago.

If my memory IS correct...then I believe that game truly serves as the precedent in which MLB umpires told the world that, "we're gonna get it right...no matter what".

I have your back on this lawump, one more reason that Replay is on its way in and Old Guard on their wau O-U-T

[PeteBooth]

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Originally Posted by msavakinas

are you seriously a fan of replay on stuff like this? I hear your argument but I don't think that replay is applicable on plays like this. That takes the human element out of the game. The human element is very much needed in baseball umpiring. Perhaps more than any other sport, IMO.

That seems to be the argument "taking out the human element of the game" but the game should not be decided if there is technology to fix things.

All other major sports have replay. Also, the NCAA uses replay for basketball / football

Let's take last night's NCAA Championship game between Memphis and Kansas.

Rose the Memphis point guard hit an incredible shot as time was expiring. He was originally credited with a 3 point field goal.

However, later on the play was reviewed and changed to a 2 point field goal (the proper ruling because Rose when he took the shot had one foot inside the 3 point circle)

The game eventually went into over-time. Had that call not been reversed Memphis might have won the game by that 1 point.

Personally I do not understand most people not wanting replay in baseball. The game has changed from what it was in the so called "glory days" so IMO it's time to add IR to baseball.

IMO, it will not add time because the umpires already huddle and discuss.

Pete Booth

[lawump]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth]

Personally I do not understand most people not wanting replay in baseball. The game has changed from what it was in the so called "glory days" so IMO it's time to add IR to baseball.

IMO, it will not add time because the umpires already huddle and discuss.

Pete Booth

Since, its been implied by a certain poster that I'm in some "new guard", I'll post my 2-cents:

I'm in favor of replay in some form for plays that don't require the umpires to have ask one another in their huddle, "now that we reversed the call...what would have happened had we called it right originally?"

For example: It is very easy to change a "fair" call to "foul" after the play is over if one is using replay. Just put all the runners on their TOP base and the batter back at-bat with a "strike" added to his count.

However, if the umpires were to change a "foul" call (hit down the line (but NOT over the outfield fence) ) to "fair" via replay...they now have to play GOD to determine "what would've happened". That, IMO, should not be allowed under a replay system.

[David B]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth]

That seems to be the argument "taking out the human element of the game" but the game should not be decided if there is technology to fix things.

All other major sports have replay. Also, the NCAA uses replay for basketball / football

Let's take last night's NCAA Championship game between Memphis and Kansas.

Rose the Memphis point guard hit an incredible shot as time was expiring. He was originally credited with a 3 point field goal.

However, later on the play was reviewed and changed to a 2 point field goal (the proper ruling because Rose when he took the shot had one foot inside the 3 point circle)

The game eventually went into over-time. Had that call not been reversed Memphis might have won the game by that 1 point.

Personally I do not understand most people not wanting replay in baseball. The game has changed from what it was in the so called "glory days" so IMO it's time to add IR to baseball.

IMO, it will not add time because the umpires already huddle and discuss.

Pete Booth

Pete I see your point, but you're not comparing apples to apples. In basketball the change from a 3 to a two is done often without replay.

One official signals three, the other has two and changes. Even the use of the replay didn't affect any of the playing action.

In baseball so much of the playing action hinges on the call that is made at that time - a catch, missed ball, fair/foul etc.,

Watching the game unfold the other day at Atlanta was bad, it looked bad, and all of the players were speechless.

As mentioned, even Bobby "eject" Cox had nothing to say bad about the call or the umpires.

Thanks
David

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

are you seriously a fan of replay on stuff like this?

Very seriously and IU, myself and others have chimed in with specific prposals when to and not to use it.

I hear your argument but I don't think that replay is applicable on plays like this. That takes the human element out of the game. The human element is very much needed in baseball umpiring. Perhaps more than any other sport, IMO.

The human element, if meant to mean mistakes that could be undone with using technology, you can have it. I'm for calling the game so that thbest team wins and officiating mistakes are minimized.

and who is this "old guard" you keep speaking of? i think all of us that are out there for the betterment of umpiring everywhere are really on the same team and are not divided up by "old guard" and whoever their archrival is. (?New Guard?)

Here's a wake up call. You're dreaming. Or your MITB has gone terminal.

These statements are growing old. Seriously just comment on the situation and say what your opinion is. Don't label or stereotype people the way you are.

Youth grows old, one day you will wake up and:

1) When a DR tells you to rest, yo will rest
2) You will listen instead of buying junk protecive gear and endangering your health
3) You will clearly recognize the Old Guard because you will see them as you or not you.

Love,
The Deej "new Guardian"

"New Guardian Rules

We don't attack or diminish the youth
We don't take anything at face value without constant (re)inspection
We do assume everything can be changed since all comes from hoomans
We do expect that there will be resistance
We don't dribble in our cups like the Old Guard.

[lawump]

This whole thread needs RIGHT GUARD (tm) because something stinks.