The Pickoff from the windup...revisited!

[Delaware Blue]

Originally Posted by cookie

I believe LL Juniors (ages 13-14) follow OBR (not absolutely sure though), so a pick-off from the wind-up position is allowed, provided the free foot steps directly to the occuppied base. F1 does not have to disengage.

That is correct. LL follows OBR, not NFHS so a throw to a base from the wind-up is legal as long as the pitcher does not make a move normally associated with the wind-up (like raising his arms). How do you convince them? Good luck. Have them look at rule 8.01(a) Comment:
From the Windup Position, the pitcher may: ...(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick-off a runner, or...

Nothing there about having to step off first.

[3appleshigh]

How about this, take the official rule, Copy it and make it the same size and shape as the Lineup card. Then do some preventative coaching, at the start of the game, or in between innuings head to the ump with the "Line-up" out, say here is what I'm looking to do, this is the rule and they way I think it is can you tell me what the call is? You are not in a position to show up the ump, havn't put him in a position where he would have to switch a call, and you haven't put your team in a spot where you advance an opposition runner. Now all that said, not all umps will respond, or respond in kind. But I think most will if you do this properly.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

How about this, take the official rule, Copy it and make it the same size and shape as the Lineup card. Then do some preventative coaching, at the start of the game, or in between innuings head to the ump with the "Line-up" out, say here is what I'm looking to do, this is the rule and they way I think it is can you tell me what the call is? You are not in a position to show up the ump, havn't put him in a position where he would have to switch a call, and you haven't put your team in a spot where you advance an opposition runner. Now all that said, not all umps will respond, or respond in kind. But I think most will if you do this properly.

This is kind of like football pregame questions from coaches in the locker room that i've seen done.

I like 3apple's idea.

On the other hand, I WOULD call the chapter rules interpreter, president or assignor and bring the situation up to them to discuss with the whole chapter.

[johnnyg08]

Is this the citation you're using for the FED rule?

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With his feet in the wind-up position, the pitcher may only deliver a pitch or step backward off the pitcher's plate with his pivot foot first.