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[DG]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

That is something that should be talked about in the pre-game.

You discuss how to handle ejections in pre-game?

[UmpJM]

Hmmmm....

I can only recall discussing ejections one time during a pre-game. My partner brought it up.

Curiously enough, he ejected someone during the game.

JM

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by DG

You discuss how to handle ejections in pre-game?

When working with a new partner or at certain levels / leagues the crew should talk about how to handle an ejection or major argument.

Over the years I have seen too many cases of what should be a simple ejection or argument turn into a fiasco because the crew were not on the same page.

[chuckfan1]

Handling ejections should always be a part of the pregame. Though it might be rare, if and when it does happen, shouldnt we want it to go as smooth as possible, as in everything else we do? ala an "Infield Fly" rotation?
Also, the BU , on this play should not come down unsolicited with what he saw. It seems one of the few acceptable times another umpire can do this, is maybe on a "bobble" or juggle at the plate, that maybe the PU didnt see.
Here, even though the video doesnt show it, the ball appeared to have rolled several feet away, which the PU most likely saw.
If Im PU umpire, I probably have that seed of doubt starting to creep up inside of me, but Im not going to change the call. If I go to the base guy, what "additional" information can he give me? Tell me I kicked it? I probably realize it at this point.
Most likely have to let the call stand.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

Handling ejections should always be a part of the pregame. Though it might be rare, if and when it does happen, shouldnt we want it to go as smooth as possible, as in everything else we do? ala an "Infield Fly" rotation?

What's that?

[chuckfan1]

Yeeesh....figured, theres always gotta be someone.....
Anyways...wasnt commenting on that specifically.The mention of the Infield Fly sitch was just an example of things we cover in pregame. Not the overall point of the post.
As in...."Ok BU guy...In an infield fly situation, and a fly ball to the outfield, I will rotate up to 3rd if R2 tags and goes..."
And then...."Ok BU guy...probably wont happen, but in case we have an ejection, lets handle it this way...." etc.
Trying to emphasize that ejections probably should be covered in the pregame. In working with a few D1 guys....they always cover it.

[David B]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

Yeeesh....figured, theres always gotta be someone.....
Anyways...wasnt commenting on that specifically.The mention of the Infield Fly sitch was just an example of things we cover in pregame. Not the overall point of the post.
As in...."Ok BU guy...In an infield fly situation, and a fly ball to the outfield, I will rotate up to 3rd if R2 tags and goes..."
And then...."Ok BU guy...probably wont happen, but in case we have an ejection, lets handle it this way...." etc.
Trying to emphasize that ejections probably should be covered in the pregame. In working with a few D1 guys....they always cover it.

Its covered, but that takes all of 15 seconds. If we do have a problem with a coach and ejection, the non-ejecting coach can make sure the coach leaves quickly etc.,

If I'm PU, after the ejection, I'm not paying attention to the coach anyway, that gives me time to write it down for the report.

Thanks
David

[bossman72]

Sort of off topic, but everyone is in agreement that the coach deserved to get tossed for demonstrating, right?

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

Handling ejections should always be a part of the pregame. Though it might be rare, if and when it does happen, shouldnt we want it to go as smooth as possible, as in everything else we do? ala an "Infield Fly" rotation?

I disagree. I do not go over Ej's with my partner. There is too much other more important information to cover.

Also, by going over Ej's means that in effect you will be looking for some.

IMO, the BU did what he was supposed to. He allowed his partner the respect he deserves in handling the situation. When the argument escalated he then stepped in and escorted the manager away.

The bottom line is this:

The PU was out of position.

He could have either asked for help which he didn't or "eat" the call which he did.

The coach was upset, had his say and then got himself ejected by "taking it to the next level"

I agree with Garth in that at the moment the EJ occurs we stop listening. The coach already had his say, now it's time for the coach to leave and get on with the game.

The coach got "hot under the collar" at the PU and the BU stepped in and got the coach to leave.

Lesson to be learned: Positioning Positioning Positioning. Also, even though we kick a call does not give the coach "carte blanche" to say and do anything he wants.

Side Note and off topic a bit: Depending upon one's area most HS coaches are also teachers. A teacher in addition to being an educator should also teach his students how to prepare for life. We all know Life isn't fair, however, these same coaches do not take that advice out onto the ball field. It seems as though they turn into Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde.

Pete Booth

[DG]

I never discuss ejections in pregame. I will get mine and my partner will get his and I have his back and I expect him to have mine. There are more regular things to discuss in pregame than how to handle ejections.

I have discussed ejections at pregame if forewarned, but that is rare. Last year I ejected a coach I had not been forewarned about. I found out later my assigner had been forewarned but he looked at the schedule and concluded that my partner and I would take care of business so he didn't tell us.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by DG

You discuss how to handle ejections in pre-game?

Just like in basketball we discuss potential ejections. You want to know how to handle the sitch before you have to handle it.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Just like in basketball we discuss potential ejections. You want to know how to handle the sitch before you have to handle it.

Why not? Ejections and forfeits from ejected coaches who ignore ejections are part of Game Control, too many umps think they are part of some kind of emergency, let's not talk about that, OMGod!!

Hshshtt, talk to your partner.