Missed NFHS Test Question

[dash_riprock]

I stand corrected Bob & Bret. I'm editing my post. And mangled is a good choice of words to describe 2008 5.1.1.j. The last phrase should read "except on an infield-fly as defined by 2.19."

[GarthB]

So then, it is as our state interpreter described and the answer FED gives is correct.

[Publius]

Just remember the intent of both--to prevent a cheap DP.

If the IFF is in effect (not just "conditions exist"), since the B/R is out, the runners are not forced to advance on the batted ball and a cheap DP is not possible, so an intentional drop stays live. If, even though the conditions exist, the IFF is not in effect, then the B/R is not out, the runners are forced to advance and a cheap DP is possible, so the ball is declared dead.

The question is just bad. It asks you to make a decision based on two conditions that are mutually exclusive, but are presented as though both are true.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Publius

If the IFF is in effect (not just "conditions exist"), since the B/R is out, the runners are not forced to advance on the batted ball and a cheap DP is not possible, so an intentional drop stays live.

If the intentional drop went off F3's glove an into the dugout would you award a base to the runners?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

If the intentional drop went off F3's glove an into the dugout would you award a base to the runners?

Day game or night game?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Day game or night game?

night game

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

night game

2-man or 3- man?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by GarthB

2-man or 3- man?

2 man

[Publius]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

If the intentional drop went off F3's glove an into the dugout would you award a base to the runners?

If it stayed live (IFF), I would award two bases to each runner except the B/R, who is out.

If it became immediately dead (no IFF) I would not award any bases.

[johnnyg08]

I know the rules...thanks for checking though. Just playin' dude...lighten up

[Publius]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I know the rules...thanks for checking though. Just playin' dude...lighten up

I didn't check, and I wasn't responding to the WOBW in which you were engaged.

A literal reading of the question as phrased by riprock calls for an answer of "no"--even though the correct ruling involves the award of bases. Interesting, given the topic of this thread.

[johnnyg08]

commenting to Stephen. I know you didn't check.

[PFISTO]

I believe that on our test here in NJ it says that if any part of the question is false then it's totally false and since you can't have an infield fly on a bunt then the answer is false

Originally Posted by PFISTO

I believe that on our test here in NJ it says that if any part of the question is false then it's totally false and since you can't have an infield fly on a bunt then the answer is false

Please reread the question - it indicates that the Infield Fly Rule is "in effect" it doesn't say anything about being enforced, or called or anything else, just "in effect". For the IFR to be "enforced" or "called", a fly ball has to be hit, not a bunt. There is nothing false about the question or any part of the question. The only thing that is false is what else the person reads into the question. Consider the facts:

1. The IFR is "in effect" means that there are runners on 1st and 2nd or the bases are loaded, AND, there are less than 2 outs. This is TRUE.
2. A fair bunt has been popped up: This is TRUE.
3. The ball is intentionally dropped by an infielder. This is TRUE.
4. The ball is immediately DEAD. This is also TRUE.

So...... then answer MUST be TRUE.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by JJ

In Illinois the test key was changed so "TRUE" would be the correct answer. Since a bunt cannot be an infield fly, the fact that the pieces for an infield fly are in place (runner-wise and out-wise) has no bearing on the play. It's an intentionally dropped ball and is dead immediately.

JJ

I think I posted this on page 2 of this thread. Looks like we're starting to repeat!