New NFHS Fielder Obstruction

[JJ]

[QUOTE=Tim C]The slide says that "trainwrecks" can happen and if both players are doing their job there should be NO obstruction called.
[QUOTE]

At the NFHS meeting last week we discussed this at length, and the above statement is true IF THE FIELDER DOESN'T DENY ACCESS TO THE BASE for the batter-runner. Here's an example - in the play at first base, if the collision occurs (and the first baseman does NOT have the ball) and the batter-runner goes down in a heap, or is in some other way denied some access to the base, it is obstruction.
If, however, there is a collision where the batter-runner is NOT DENIED ACCESS, there will be no obstruction.
Now, practically speaking, the odds are the first instance is the one that will happen, but that's not to say that the second instance will NEVER happen.
That's why there are apparently conflicting statements from the NFHS.
Personally, I don't think this will be a big deal. When the trainwreck occurs I will look to see if the runner was denied direct access to some portion of the base by a fielder without the ball. Then I will make my decision.

JJ

[UmpJM]

Hmmm...

While I will certainly defer judgment until I hear the IHSA pronouncement at the certified clinic in March, this strikes me as a strong candidate for this year's "pitcher going to his mouth while on the mound" award in terms of lack of clarity in the desired ruling.

JMO.

JM

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Hmmm...

this strikes me as a strong candidate for this year's "pitcher going to his mouth while on the mound" award

Which is cleared up quite well this year.

[justanotherblue]

Conflicting statements from Fed?? Noooooooo

[Steven Tyler]

OBSTRUCTION: Rule 2-22-3 (NEW)

It is obstruction when the fielder, without possession of the ball denies access to the base the runner is attempting to achieve.

There are three situations to consider.....

-(A) Fielder in the base path with the ball in possession.

-(B) Fielder in the base path without the ball, but the play is imminent.

-(C) Fielder in the base path without the ball, and the play in not imminent.

-(A) Not obstruction.

_(B) Obstruction/judgment

_(C) Obstruction/judgment

In the past, situations A & B allowed the fielder to block the base legally; situation C was obstruction if the fielder hindered the base the runner or changed the pattern of the play.

With this rule change:

-(A) Fielder can legally block the base.

_(B) Fielder can be in the base path, but must provide the runner some access to the base.

-(C) Obstruction if the fielder hinders the runner or changes the pattern of the play.

Pretty much spells it out in a nutshell.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Tim was addressing how FED explained the rule in its online clinic. Have you seen that powerpoint presentation? If so, do you believe that there is any deviation in FED's powerpoint from FED's rulebook?

Also, if you have seen it, has your state edited any of the text? Some states do and do not report that they have done so to the "average" umpires taking the clinic.

Garth,

What I do have is more of a photocopy of the NFHS PowerPoint presentation done by Kyle McNeely. He was at the state clinic this weekend and he talked about 2008 rule changes and he did the three and four man mechanics clinic. I have photocopies of that PowerPoint presentation also.

I'm quite certain that the handouts are the same as on these two powerpoint presentations. I doubt if any of the text was edited since Kyle was the one presenting his own PowerPoint presentation. It was quite good really and the text was very information. Kyle did a good job on his presentation, also.

The way Kyle described trainwreck pretty much summed up Tee's definition also. No deviation from the PowerPoint to rule book.

[socalblue1]

Pray your state doesn't permit protests during the regular season, 'cause this is going to be a nightmare.

As I see this from the early view, there are three major problems:

1. Any time a throw is least bit off line runners are going to crash fielders in an attempt to draw an obstruction call and in most cases are going to succeed.

2. Every close tag play the offense is going to scream "He didn't give my runner access blue!".

3. Far too many simple train wrecks will result in obstruction calls and ejections. "He knocked my runner down blue. That just HAS to be an ejection! You eject my runner if he causes it".

Poorly worded rule, poorly worded and inconstant interpretation = disaster.

Better Fed to have copied NCAA or Little League on this. Both rules work and are very simple to understand and enforce.

[RPatrino]

Socal, you assume that the coach's will read the rules this year. Most don't even know the difference between interference and obstruction, and they will argue both in this situation.

In the play described, the 'train wreck' caused by F3 being pulled wide of the base and a collision occurs, if the BR while on the ground tags first, do we trully have a 'train wreck' no call situation?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

Better Fed to have copied NCAA or Little League on this. Both rules work and are very simple to understand and enforce.

The FED IS using the NCAA rule. If you're unclear about the way the FED has printed out their material, read the NCAA material on this rule. They have the same rule.

JJ

[socalblue1]

JJ,

it's not how the rule is written it's how FED is choosing to interpret it. Using the simple bad throw/train wreck is obstruction example - this is in no way the same as NCAA.