detached equipment

[ggk]

i agree. but i seem to remember someone making an argument otherwise. thanks

[SAump]

Fielder's cap? If it were whiskers away from foul, I would expect the fielder to pick it up barehanded and attempt to make a play. I would allow the play to continue live and pick up the players reactions before I make that 3-B award decision. I doubt I would award all 3 if B/Rs reached bases safely or attempt extra bases at their own risk {Similar to balk ruling}.

Catcher's helmet? I would rule that the ball had no chance of going fair, foul ball because the catcher was all over it. But if it were whiskers away from foul, I would also expect the catcher to pick it up barehanded and attempt to make a play. Need more info. I would also have to see B/Rs reactions to make that decision. If either gives up, most likely the batter-runner, I would not make the 3 base award, I would have a foul ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

Need more info.

All the info needed is in the OP, and the question has been correctly answered.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

All the info needed is in the OP, and the question has been correctly answered.

1) Masks are now illegal FED equipment. I would have to ask myself if the catcher were deliberately testing my knowledge. I would toss the mask before the first pitch of the game.

2) Catchers that shave know how to reach a ball with their bare hand or mitt. Catchers with HSM also know how easy it is to make this play with either left-handed mitt or free hand in place of their new right-hand extension. Imagine how difficult it is to scoop up a spinning ground ball in your HSH and to throw or make a play with their new extension.

3) What spinning action? The action that occurs behind home plate. I would have to ask myself why a catcher deliberately committed a 3B award penalty. Did the catcher hit the ball with the mask or the ball hit into the catcher's mask?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

1) Masks are now illegal FED equipment. I would have to ask myself if the catcher were deliberately testing my knowledge. I would toss the mask before the first pitch of the game.

2) Catchers that shave know how to reach a ball with their bare hand or mitt. Catchers with HSM also know how easy it is to make this play with either left-handed mitt or free hand in place of their new right-hand extension. Imagine how difficult it is to scoop up a spinning ground ball in your HSH and to throw or make a play with their new extension.

3) What spinning action? The action that occurs behind home plate. I would have to ask myself why a catcher deliberately committed a 3B award penalty. Did the catcher hit the ball with the mask or the ball hit into the catcher's mask?

1) Not true. A certified mask and helmet combo is still legal. They're just rare. And, clearly the ruling doesn't depend on whether this is a mask or an HSH.

2) Yes, they know how to reach the ball with their bare had. They also "forget" the rule and might panic.

3) A valid question, but also one that's covered in the OP. The use of the word "scoops" indicates a positive action by F2.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) Not true. A certified mask and helmet combo is still legal. They're just rare.

About a third of varsity catchers still use the combo hereabouts.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SAump

1) Masks are now illegal FED equipment.

Since when?

I would have to ask myself if the catcher were deliberately testing my knowledge.

It appears you'd fail that test.

I would toss the mask before the first pitch of the game.

Followed, of course, by the head coach, assistant coach, catcher, catcher's dad...