Would you have dumped him?

[BigUmp56]

I specifically posed the question for a youth game for a reason. In an upper level game (college and above) I don't see where a reaction like this would warrant an ejection. But for HS on down this is a no brainer to me.

I'm surprised that you'd allow a player at this level to throw sh1t while still on the field and not run him, jice. Allowing him to do this without an ejection just leaves a mess for the next crew working one of his games to clean up.


Tim.

[bobbybanaduck]

it's a pretty easy ej in pro ball, tim. short ej report, too, which is always nice.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

it's a pretty easy ej in pro ball, tim. short ej report, too, which is always nice.

During my visit to Arizona this summer I saw Matt toss a runner who threw his helmet down on home plate after Matt called him out on a tag by the catcher about three feet up the third baseline.

Matt's comment to me was the same as yours..."Easy ejection, short report."

[ncump7]

Even if he was frustrated, he can not throw two pieces of equipment and stay in the game. Easy ej. Most players ejected are due to frustration. I have ejected none for being overly happy.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

it's a pretty easy ej in pro ball, tim. short ej report, too, which is always nice.

Thanks for your response, Bobby. The reason I said I didn't think this would warrant an ejection in a college or professional game is because I've seen similar situations in single A games where the crew simply ignored the player.

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

So bobbybanaduck says ejection at pro ball. You disagree. You say throw sh!t on the field, you're outta here. But throw it all over the dugout, you can stay. If something likes this gets your dander up, you must lose focus very easily when working the dish if player, coach or fan slightly gets on your strike zone. Game management skills seem to be lacking.

I'm not sure what this might have to do with a spectator giving me a hard time and my losing focus easily. I'll take into consideration what a supposedly experienced umpire who's never had an ejection.............ever, has to say about my game management skills and do my best to do the polar opposite of his advice. What happens in the dugouts is not my concern unless I feel it's going to spill over onto the field.


Tim.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Thanks for your response, Bobby. The reason I said I didn't think this would warrant an ejection in a college or professional game is because I've seen similar situations in single A games where the crew simply ignored the player.
Tim.

you've got to understand that A ball is good for watching some things, and not so good for watching other things. mechanics, positioning, hustle, and things of that nature can be helpful to watch. game management and situations, however...i would say that as often as not you might be able to learn what not to do rather than what to do. these guys are getting their first taste of arguments and ejections. that kind of crap doesn't happen often in the roast, so they don't have much experience. but that is what A ball is for; learning. learn by doing it right, learn by doing it wrong. whatever. just learn.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'm not sure what this might have to do with a spectator giving me a hard time and my losing focus easily. I'll take into consideration what a supposedly experienced umpire who's never had an ejection.............ever, has to say about my game management skills and do my best to do the polar opposite of his advice. What happens in the dugouts is not my concern unless I feel it's going to spill over onto the field.

What gives you the idea I've never had an ejection? Have you ever worked or seen me work? We all know what happens when you assume. Making stuff up is for little kids. I'm sure you're one of those umpires that has to eject because you can't help from becoming confrontational yourself. Don't tell me you haven't. You fit the prototype very nicely, I must say.

And what happens in the dugout is no concern to you unless it going to spill out into the field? They charging the mound and brawling in your games? Careful you don't get bit on the ankle by one of those little buggers.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

What gives you the idea I've never had an ejection? Have you ever worked or seen me work? We all know what happens when you assume. Making stuff up is for little kids. I'm sure you're one of those umpires that has to eject because you can't help from becoming confrontational yourself. Don't tell me you haven't. You fit the prototype very nicely, I must say.

And what happens in the dugout is no concern to you unless it going to spill out into the field? They charging the mound and brawling in your games? Careful you don't get bit on the ankle by one of those little buggers.

Well, I did ask you earlier today if you'd had an ejection yet and you said no. I just assumed you were telling the truth. My bad...............

And if tossing a player for throwing equipment on the field makes me confrontational, count me as confrontational every day of the week and twice on Sundays.


Tim.

[jsblanton]

This is easy. He removed his helmet on the playing field. His team is getting a warning. He threw the hemet against the fence, his team is getting a warning and he gets to watch the rest of the game from the bench. The thrown hat sealed the deal.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Well, I did ask you earlier today if you'd had an ejection yet and you said no. I just assumed you were telling the truth. My bad...............

And if tossing a player for throwing equipment on the field makes me confrontational, count me as confrontational every day of the week and twice on Sundays.


Tim.

Yes, your judgment is bad...........

Thanks for proving my point by not answering a very simple direct question.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Yes, your judgment is bad...........

Thanks for proving my point by not answering a very simple direct question.

Alright Mr. Never Ejected Anyone, I'll answer your very simple-minded direct question. Oh, which one of the four do you want answered? I will guess that you meant the first of the four questions you asked Tim: How do we know you've never had an ejection?

The answer is that you have told us before that you have never ejected anyone, you have been asked periodically over the past 2 years if that has changed, and you have never responded in the affirmative to our very simple direct questions. No, not once.

So, clown, you have never ejected anyone and therefore still have not been doing your job properly, like I told you 2 years ago.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I specifically posed the question for a youth game for a reason. In an upper level game (college and above) I don't see where a reaction like this would warrant an ejection. But for HS on down this is a no brainer to me.

I think we get ourselves in trouble when we have this black and white, all or nothing philosophies on these kinds of things. I am sure I would likely eject, but some other things my change my opinion. Is the coach taking care of it immediately? Did the player say anything to me directly after or before he throws his helmet? Was this kid a problem during other parts of the game? I like to let players and coaches hang themselves to the point I throw them. Maybe it is the football and basketball official in me but I like the fact I can warn before I have to file paper work.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'm surprised that you'd allow a player at this level to throw sh1t while still on the field and not run him, jice. Allowing him to do this without an ejection just leaves a mess for the next crew working one of his games to clean up.

What the crew did before is irrelevant to me and what the crew will do behind me is irrelevant. I will not likely be around at all so that is not something I am going to concern myself with. I am only concerned with my standards for that game and that might change based on a lot of other factors I will not list right now.

Peace

[kylejt]

I'm going to retract my statement about dumping him in a heartbeat. I would have given a coach about 1.5 seconds to react to his helmet toss. If the coach want to jump him before I get a chance, so be it. One point five seconds is his window of opportunity to do so. That didn't happen in this situation, so out he goes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kylejt

I'm going to retract my statement about dumping him in a heartbeat. I would have given a coach about 1.5 seconds to react to his helmet toss. If the coach want to jump him before I get a chance, so be it. One point five seconds is his window of opportunity to do so. That didn't happen in this situation, so out he goes.

And that is the jukes of my philosophy. If that player turned to me immediately and started yelling, now he is mine.

Peace

[JJ]

BigUmp56 - I specifically posed the question for a youth game for a reason. In an upper level game (college and above) I don't see where a reaction like this would warrant an ejection. But for HS on down this is a no brainer to me.

Hmmm....I WOULD dump this kid - very quickly - and hope that his coach would deal with him as well. I would also expect a visit from the coach, and if he made his point professionally I'd let him talk a little longer than usual IF I thought there was a chance I'd blown the call.
As for the higher levels - you bet I'd dump the player. HE should know better than to put on that kind of show. And his coach would be on my a$$ for missing the call AND on HIS a$$ for taking himself out of the game.

JJ