Such Arrogance Barry

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Gerg Nosredna is so evian he's sitting in a jail cell because he refuses to testify in front of a grand jury. What's he got to lose if there is nothing to hide?

He has everything to gain by testifying. It sounds to me he does not mind sitting in jail to prevent a witch hunt.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He has everything to gain by testifying. It sounds to me he does not mind sitting in jail to prevent a witch hunt.

Peace

That's it for sure. Altruism in it's purist form. Nosredna would rather give up his freedom, his ability to care for his family, his professional life, and his future for nothing more than the warm feeling he'll get from preventing "a witch hunt."

A grateful Barry down the road will be just a coincidental small bonus.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That's it for sure. Altruism in it's purist form. Nosredna would rather give up his freedom, his ability to care for his family, his professional life, and his future for nothing more than the warm feeling he'll get from preventing "a witch hunt."

A grateful Barry down the road will be just a coincidental small bonus.

I do not know his personal life or what he is obligated to do. But what you said is what many people did for many other causes that they believed in. I think many civil rights leaders for example did just that for what they believed in. This is not a national movement, but it might be something he believes in. Just because the rest of you here do not have that kind of courage to take a jail time for something you believe in does not mean he has something to hide. Maybe he feels testifying is not going to get justice. That after all is his right and he is paying for it.

Peace

[Rcichon]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....clipped.... Just because the rest of you here do not have that kind of courage to take a jail time for something you believe in does not mean he has something to hide......

Peace

Stereotyped. You a$$ume too much from posted argument.

Maybe you should ask first. Then again, I don't think you care to know.

And I don't buy the a$$umption that Garth or anyone here is not willing to pay a price for their beliefs. Some of us do that daily.

Ignorance is bliss.

Flame-On!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

Stereotyped. You a$$ume too much from posted argument.

Maybe you should ask first. Then again, I don't think you care to know.

And I don't buy the a$$umption that Garth or anyone here is not willing to pay a price for their beliefs. Some of us do that daily.

Ignorance is bliss.

Flame-On!

With all due respect, unless you know the man or have talked to him while he is in jail, you have no idea why he is doing what he is doing. And to suggest that he is making a bad decision when you have not talked to this person is ludicrous (not the rapper). I always find it funny how people try to put their personal values onto other people that they do not even know.

Peace

[Rcichon]

Then we concur that you are assuming! Wonderful!

I did not make the comment nor inference he was making a bad decision. You a$$umed once again. Thank You.

[JRutledge]

And this is why baseball is dying and losing interest of the youth and dying in participation. You have people that cannot believe that someone with better training, more money at stake and can be better than some guy 50 years ago. No other sport honestly thinks some guy 50 years ago is as good or versatile than players in today’s games.

So go ahead and call it the steroid era and think that someone could not be better than a beer drinking, fat guy that played in the first half of the last century (not that fields sizes have changed or travel accommodations have also more sufficient). Kids today do not even know how most of those players are and likely do not care. These are who will bring the game to another level, not some 50 year old man who never saw many of these players they worship as some baseball God.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

Then we concur that you are assuming! Wonderful!

I did not make the comment nor inference he was making a bad decision. You a$$umed once again. Thank You.

I honestly was not only talking about you or only about your point of view. But thank you for playing.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I always find it funny how people try to put their personal values onto other people that they do not even know.

Peace

Don't be ridiculous Jeff. You do it every day. We all do.

Funny? No. It's a cornerstone of a civilized world. Without it, our grand jury system would fold and our criminal justice system would be in chaos. The very basis or our laws if the placing of our values on others, whether we know them or not.

I can see it now, "Your honor, how can this jury convict my client of child molesting? They're just putting their personal values on him, and they don't even know him!!!"

Jeff, I have no knowledge of the homicidal moron who bombed the 16th street church, but I, and the rest of society, are happy to "put our personal values" into play and judge him never-the-less.

One can withhold judgement about how someone chooses to live his life to a point. That point is when there is evidence that a crime is committed. Nosredna has, admittedly, committed a crime. I don't need to get to know him to form an opinion of him or why he refused to give the details of that crime.

[JRutledge]

If you have evidence that someone did something, you can bring an indictment without one person's testimony. If it is a solid case they would not need the testimony. And when someone does not want to give testimony, they suffer consequences.

And this sacred system had to journalist willing to go to jail because they would not reveal a source that gave them illegal information from that same Grand Jury. They were willing to go to jail because their cause in their mind was just. And if I am not mistaken they were plead guilty to a crime for withholding their sources.

And who cares, if the man wants to spend jail time that is what he is willing to do. Why do you care what his motives are or what they are not? I know I do not even care. Remember he was being charged with more than information on Barry. He was accused of selling a drug that might have to do with other people that could do more harm to his family than anything Barry can ever do to him.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know his personal life or what he is obligated to do. But what you said is what many people did for many other causes that they believed in. I think many civil rights leaders for example did just that for what they believed in. This is not a national movement, but it might be something he believes in. Just because the rest of you here do not have that kind of courage to take a jail time for something you believe in does not mean he has something to hide. Maybe he feels testifying is not going to get justice. That after all is his right and he is paying for it.

Peace

You compare the civil rights movement with covering up steriod use?

Shame on you.

[RPatrino]

Barry Who? My main concern is how long will it take for the Giants to be out of the running for A-Rod? Let me count the seconds!!