Such Arrogance Barry

[WhistlesAndStripes]

The fact that Barry said he would boycott the Hall if the ball is displayed with an asterisk as all the more reason to brand it on all sides with asterisks. Keep him out of a place that he doesn't deserve to be in since he cheated.

As long as Pete Rose is banned, they should never induct another player!!

[BigUmp56]

I wonder if everyone will say the same thing about Clemens and others when it's their turn to go into The Hall. It was an entire era of steroid use. The truth is we still have no idea about how widespread of a problem it was. I don't buy for a second that MLB itself wasn't aware of the problem as they tried to put the fans back in the stands, post strike of 1994. They wanted to see the ball flying out of the parks, and turned a blind eye to steroid usage. The pitchers were juicing, the hitters were juicing. Hell, I think even the bat boys were on the stuff..........


Tim.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

The fact that Barry said he would boycott the Hall if the ball is displayed with an asterisk as all the more reason to brand it on all sides with asterisks. Keep him out of a place that he doesn't deserve to be in since he cheated.

As long as Pete Rose is banned, they should never induct another player!!

As long as you brought it up. Pete Rose is another case of such arrogance.

Pete Rose brought his banishment upon himself. Why rewrite the rules for Mr. I Thought I Was Teflon. This is one of the few things that baseball got right.

As for Barry, he needs to remember that a certain percentage of votes from a panel of voters that generally stay the same through the years have to elect him for enshrinement into the Hall. If 2007 was his last year, he still has five years to piss off voters, or to be found guilty of cheating. Remember Marion Jones of Olympic fame? Players like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and Juan Gonzalez (and probably others too countless to mention) who in different eras had lead pipe Hall of Fame careers, might never see it in their lifetime, if ever at all.

Baseball doesn't need Bonds as bad as he needs baseball. The Hall of Fame will certainly not suffer one bit without him. His statements will only come back to haunt him in the future if he continues to make such stupid remarks.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

As long as Pete Rose is banned, they should never induct another player!!

Look everybody....RAW MEAT!

[t-rex]

If I remember correctly, Rose agreed to be permanently ineligible. I don't see the comparison between Rose and Bonds on the HOF issue, as it stands today.

Regardless of whether I think Barry Bonds used steroids, I think it would show a complete and total lack of class to display a ball marked with one or many asterisks. I think it is all a non-issue at this point, though. The ball is not on display, and Bonds has not been voted into the HOF. Who's to say he doesn't make a deal in the future similar to Rose's?

I'll reserve my right to make a judgment until circumstances change.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

We know he took steroids (he says he took it unknowingly) the clear. He claims he was told it was flax seed oil. What could a drop of flax seed oil under the tongue do for you! You're naive if you beleive he never knowingly took steroids human growth or whatever. The preponderance of evidence suggests he cheated.

Remember, there is a LIE in believe.

I did not say I believed one thing or the other, just that you're not gonna get Bonds on anything, so everyone needs to drop it. Unless of course you plan on putting asterisks on every modern player's record.

Also remember, Evian is naive spelled backward.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Remember, there is a LIE in believe.

I did not say I believed one thing or the other, just that your not gonna get Bonds on anything, so everyone needs to drop it. Unless of course you plan on putting asterisks on every modern player's record.

Also remember, Evian is naive spelled backward.

Gerg Nosredna is so evian he's sitting in a jail cell because he refuses to testify in front of a grand jury. What's he got to lose if there is nothing to hide?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I did not say I believed one thing or the other, just that your not gonna get Bonds on anything, so everyone needs to drop it. .

I'm saving this post.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Gerg Nosredna is so evian he's sitting in a jail cell because he refuses to testify in front of a grand jury. What's he got to lose if there is nothing to hide?

He has everything to gain by testifying. It sounds to me he does not mind sitting in jail to prevent a witch hunt.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He has everything to gain by testifying. It sounds to me he does not mind sitting in jail to prevent a witch hunt.

Peace

That's it for sure. Altruism in it's purist form. Nosredna would rather give up his freedom, his ability to care for his family, his professional life, and his future for nothing more than the warm feeling he'll get from preventing "a witch hunt."

A grateful Barry down the road will be just a coincidental small bonus.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That's it for sure. Altruism in it's purist form. Nosredna would rather give up his freedom, his ability to care for his family, his professional life, and his future for nothing more than the warm feeling he'll get from preventing "a witch hunt."

A grateful Barry down the road will be just a coincidental small bonus.

I do not know his personal life or what he is obligated to do. But what you said is what many people did for many other causes that they believed in. I think many civil rights leaders for example did just that for what they believed in. This is not a national movement, but it might be something he believes in. Just because the rest of you here do not have that kind of courage to take a jail time for something you believe in does not mean he has something to hide. Maybe he feels testifying is not going to get justice. That after all is his right and he is paying for it.

Peace

[Rcichon]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....clipped.... Just because the rest of you here do not have that kind of courage to take a jail time for something you believe in does not mean he has something to hide......

Peace

Stereotyped. You a$$ume too much from posted argument.

Maybe you should ask first. Then again, I don't think you care to know.

And I don't buy the a$$umption that Garth or anyone here is not willing to pay a price for their beliefs. Some of us do that daily.

Ignorance is bliss.

Flame-On!

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I agree 100%. I would be pissed if they put a friggin asterisk on my HR record that I spent years breaking. Nobody is going to convict Bonds for anything folks, so just get that out of your heads now. Hundreds of MLB players use steroids, including many pitchers who Barry Bonds hit home runs off. Are we going to see asterisks on every one of those? I think not, so get over the fact that Barry clobbered more home runs than Aaron and everyone's golden boy Ruth.

Steroids or not, it takes a whole lot of talent to even hit a baseball, much less hit it out of stadiums against major league pitching. Steroids don't make that much difference when it comes to the hand/eye coordination and other batting skills.

I agree with you 100%!

Although I personally believe that Bonds used steroids, I don't believe an asterisk should be placed on his achievement. Baseball has always had "eras." As baseball moves on, this will simply be known as the Steroid Era and everybody will recognize it as that - without the need for any silly asterisks. Bonds' achievement will be seen for what it is and each individual can ascribe to this achievement whatever they desire.

Sure - it takes skill to hit homeruns, whether you're on steroids or not. If I started pumping up on steroids, I couldn't hit a major league fastball out of the park, not to mention even hit it at all. I think there are many major league hitters who, given the benefit of steroids, would never come close to achieving what Bonds has achieved. Yet, it has to be assumed that many of Bonds' homeruns would have been nothing more than long flyballs had steroids not been involved.

I say, let him have his record and allow individuals to take it for what it's worth.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know his personal life or what he is obligated to do. But what you said is what many people did for many other causes that they believed in. I think many civil rights leaders for example did just that for what they believed in. This is not a national movement, but it might be something he believes in. Just because the rest of you here do not have that kind of courage to take a jail time for something you believe in does not mean he has something to hide. Maybe he feels testifying is not going to get justice. That after all is his right and he is paying for it.

Peace

You compare the civil rights movement with covering up steriod use?

Shame on you.

[RPatrino]

Barry Who? My main concern is how long will it take for the Giants to be out of the running for A-Rod? Let me count the seconds!!