Released

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by Richard_Siegel

However, form everything I have ever heard about Ms. Cortesio, she was completely accepted. I read Pam Postema's book, "You've Got to Have Balls to Make it in This League." The constant onslaught of anger and cruelty that woman endured would have driven any normal person out of the game in a month. But Pam endured it for 12 years. Pam was not accepted. But I think Ria never faced any of that kid of abuse.

Accepted as a female, maybe, but not as an umpire, Rich. From talking to guys who worked with her or who knew her work in general, I heard she just wasn't a good umpire. Her gender notwithstanding, she simply wasn't that good. Many believe she got as far as she did because of her gender.

[Richard_Siegel]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Accepted as a female, maybe, but not as an umpire, Rich. From talking to guys who worked with her or who knew her work in general, I heard she just wasn't a good umpire. Her gender notwithstanding, she simply wasn't that good. Many believe she got as far as she did because of her gender.

I have no personal knowledge of Ria's comptence as an umpire. If she was not a good umpire then she does not deserve to advance. However, as I mentioned before, I believe she was given the same respect and treatment as her male partners by players and coaches. Even a bad umpire can be "accepeted."

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by Richard_Siegel

I have no personal knowledge of Ria's comptence as an umpire. If she was not a good umpire then she does not deserve to advance. However, as I mentioned before, I believe she was given the same respect and treatment as her male partners by players and coaches. Even a bad umpire can be "accepeted."

you can believe whatever you want, but that's not the truth.

[Richard_Siegel]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

you can believe whatever you want, but that's not the truth.

I only write what have read, and or heard. If it is "not the truth" and you know otherwise, why not enlighten us? What is the truth?

[bobbybanaduck]

you will be enlightened when her book comes out. i only had a small taste of it as i was only on her crew after we returned from the strike until she went home with a concussion (which was legit, she got smoked and it knocked her into last month...) about 5 weeks in.

for two small examples, a catcher who will remain nameless asked me two nights after she got smoked by a passed ball, "did you see me let that one get her the other night?" that, among other things he was doing that pissed me off, led to a pretty heated discussion between he and i that lasted for the duration of the game. i was not conspicuous about how i felt and it brought the manager out between innings to see what we had going on. hopefully he learned something from it cuz he was called up and started shortly thereafter, and he he's going to be a regular starter in the bigs soon.

the second was a DH that got dumped then spit his gum at her and screamed, "you don't belong here, we know it and you know it."

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

you will be enlightened when her book comes out. i only had a small taste of it as i was only on her crew after we returned from the strike until she went home with a concussion (which was legit, she got smoked and it knocked her into last month...) about 5 weeks in.

for two small examples, a catcher who will remain nameless asked me two nights after she got smoked by a passed ball, "did you see me let that one get her the other night?" that, among other things he was doing that pissed me off, led to a pretty heated discussion between he and i that lasted for the duration of the game. i was not conspicuous about how i felt and it brought the manager out between innings to see what we had going on. hopefully he learned something from it cuz he was called up and started shortly thereafter, and he he's going to be a regular starter in the bigs soon.

the second was a DH that got dumped then spit his gum at her and screamed, "you don't belong here, we know it and you know it."

I can understand how this all comes to play. We have two females in our HS association. I helped train them and worked many games with them. I let them get their balls busted and came to their defense as needed (just as I would with any other partner). However, I never allowed anyone to run up their back side just because they were "and easy target". It was a bit of a struggle but they were accepted as equals in the association. I think that after five years, they even have the respect from most of the Varsity coaches now.

So this is what I was referring to in my earlier post. I personally have no problem working with a female partner. As a matter of fact, these two women are more competent than some of the "old farts" in our association. Now, when these same women tried to join up into another association for Summer ball, they were not welcomed at all. They paid their dues (monetary) but were only assigned LL Minors games together. They were not welcome to the post game bull-sessions or even the meetings.

When they explained what was going on, I advised them to finish out the season (only a few weeks left), take the pay and not return. I then got them into a Summer association that welcomed them with open arms doing 90" diamond work only.

Hyprocritical? No, it is called being practical when I say "if you are accepted, fine. But if you are not (and that seems to be the way pro-baseball is about women), why fight an already lost battle?"

Regards

[Tim C]

"In fact, I believe I heard that it was #17."

I was told #21. And, as I am sure you know, there were more problems than the two you listed.

Regards,

[JRutledge]

TK,

If any of that is remotely true, that is very sad. We have a long time to go if people are systematically doing things to prevent from certain individuals based on gender or other factors out of their control from moving up. It is one thing is she just could not cut it. It is quite another to do things to hold a person down based on her gender.

Peace

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by tkaufman

that I was again right on another issue involving MiLB. The Ria release is no big issue to those who would be considered "insiders". She was ranked near the top at the end of the 2006 season. This move was speculated by many MiLB umpires that I know as a way to get rid of her. They thought that she would be moved by the mid-season, and thus, would be the Major League evaluators' problems. That did not happen though.
I also heard through the grapevine that umpires at the AAA level actually held off on resigning, in the interests of their partners. They did not want to be the umpire responsible for the promotion of "the girl". As a result, there was no promotion for her at before the mid-season.

Wow, what a bunch of lousy ingrates, riddled with Old Guardness and living in the 19th century.

How proud their mothers, sisters, aunts and female cousins must be.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

for two small examples, a catcher who will remain nameless asked me two nights after she got smoked by a passed ball, "did you see me let that one get her the other night?"

And you didn't dump him? I'd have ejected him for admitting that and included the information on my report to the league office so they could deal with it further.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I was just thinking the exact same thing. Great minds work alike I guess.