Randy Marsh calling strikes

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Mikes of course can be directed at an audio source, the cup and tee in golf, the net in basketball, etc. But those sounds cannot be alterted on a live broadcast....enhanced in volume,,,but not altered...and certainly no umpire's strike call can be changed to something it is not.

Oh, my gawd.

You are either living in the 1950's, technologically retarded or purposefully misrepresenting the truth,

Sounds can and often are altered on live broadcasts, in real time. I have seen it first hand as part of my job with a symphony orchestra and I know it to be done in many other situations. It is not difficult to tamper or alter a live sound as it goes through the board.

Some time back the NBA sweetened the sound of the basketball going through the net with a "popping sound" during live broadcasts and he NFL added an impact sound plus a swishing sound to hocky games.

Live broadcasted concerts often have additional tracks added to the live track to give the music that "studio" presence rather than the comparatively thin sound live performances often have.

It would no problem no alter an umpire's verbalization as he makes it. The decision as to what sound to use is made before the broadcast and the line carrying the umpire's voice is fed into a pre set board.

If you don't understand this simple technology, you should step back away from your computer or the magical spirits that make the pictures appear might get angry.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Oh, my gawd.

You are either living in the 1950's, technologically retarded or purposefully misrepresenting the truth,

Sounds can and often are altered on live broadcasts, in real time. I have seen it first hand as part of my job with a symphony orchestra and I know it to be done in many other situations. It is not difficult to tamper or alter a live sound as it goes through the board.

Some time back the NBA sweetened the sound of the basketball going through the net with a "popping sound" during live broadcasts and he NFL added an impact sound plus a swishing sound to hocky games.

Live broadcasted concerts often have additional tracks added to the live track to give the music that "studio" presence rather than the comparatively thin sound live performances often have.

It would no problem no alter an umpire's verbalization as he makes it. The decision as to what sound to use is made before the broadcast and the line carrying the umpire's voice is fed into a pre set board.

If you don't understand this simple technology, you should step back away from your computer or the magical spirits that make the pictures appear might get angry.

I immediately thought of the swishing sound from hockey games. The problem is that Jim believes that 'live' means instantaneous. Not true, of course. Ever see a live broadcast that's been closed captioned?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by waltjp

I immediately thought of the swishing sound from hockey games. The problem is that Jim believes that 'live' means instantaneous. Not true, of course. Ever see a live broadcast that's been closed captioned?

I can do it instaneously as well. I can set a trumpeter on stage in front of a live audience, have him play into a microphone and have the sound of a saxophone come out the speakers....instantaneously.

I can have jimbopyana speak into a microphone and have the sound of a jackass braying come out of the speakers instead of his, no doubt, mellifluous voice.

I can set up a mic to capture the sound of a baseball bat hitting the ball and altering it to a cat screaming, right now, this mini-second, as it occurs, immediately, before the swing is complete.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I can do it instaneously as well. I can set a trumpeter on stage in front of a live audience, have him play into a microphone and have the sound of a saxophone come out the speakers....instantaneously.

I can have jimbopyana speak into a microphone and have the sound of a jackass braying come out of the speakers instead of his, no doubt, mellifluous voice.

I can set up a mic to capture the sound of a baseball bat hitting the ball and altering it to a cat screaming, right now, this mini-second, as it occurs, immediately, before the swing is complete.

Well good for you.

But TV does not change sounds.

And it certainly does not alter the voice of Randy Marsh as he calls strikes.

You may be a bang up audio man for live musicial productions where creativity is part of the artistic process. But sports broadcasts are about giving the viewer the sounds of the game as heard by those in attendance.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

But TV does not change sounds.


But sports broadcasts are about giving the viewer the sounds of the game as heard by those in attendance.

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[GarthB]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

But TV does not change sounds.


But sports broadcasts are about giving the viewer the sounds of the game as heard by those in attendance.

Okay, remember that when you next attend a live basketball game. I'm sure the ball going through the net sounds like a cork popping.

Remember that the next time you attend a PGA event, where each T-shot is accompanied by a loud crescendoing "whoosh".

Remember that the next time you watch a baseball game on FOX. Rest assured that the fans at the park hear all the same identical sounds that come out your television set. Quel imbécile.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Okay, remember that when you next attend a live basketball game. I'm sure the ball going through the net sounds like a cork popping.

Remember that the next time you attend a PGA event, where each T-shot is accompanied by a loud crescendoing "whoosh".

Remember that the next time you watch a baseball game on FOX. Rest assured that the fans at the park hear all the same identical sounds that come out your television set. Quel imbécile.

Having spent 30 years in Live TV sports production I would say when you use the words "Quel Imbecile" to please look in the mirror.

The sounds heard at home may be easier to hear , but they are the same sounds you would hear being close to the action at a live event. They are never altered or changed.

Randy Marsh on TV is what you would hear Randy Marsh say if you were close enough to him at the ball field.

If you want to say it isn't you would be incorrect.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Having spent 30 years in Live TV sports production I would say when you use the words "Quel Imbecile" to please look in the mirror.

If true, you aren't the first person to do something for 30 years and not learn anything new.

The sounds heard at home may be easier to hear , but they are the same sounds you would hear being close to the action at a live event. They are never altered or changed.

Patently false. Are you really going to tell me that when the announcers talk about the added sound on the tee shots on PGA broadcasts that they are lying?

Do you really believe that hock pucks make a swooshing sound in real life?

Do you really think that a made basket sounds like a cork popping?

What color is the sky in your world?

Randy Marsh on TV is what you would hear Randy Marsh say if you were close enough to him at the ball field.

I never claimed that what Marsh said was altered. I said that the capability existed to do so and that sound sweetening had been done in other sports. Both true statements.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I can do it instaneously as well. I can set a trumpeter on stage in front of a live audience, have him play into a microphone and have the sound of a saxophone come out the speakers....instantaneously.

I can have jimbopyana speak into a microphone and have the sound of a jackass braying come out of the speakers instead of his, no doubt, mellifluous voice.

I can set up a mic to capture the sound of a baseball bat hitting the ball and altering it to a cat screaming, right now, this mini-second, as it occurs, immediately, before the swing is complete.

We agree and I'm arguing semantics. It can be perceived as instantaneous but there is a lot going on between the time you receive your input signal and the time that the final audio is ready for broadcast. Of course, we're talking about high-speed processors that can accomplish these feats in milliseconds but just because we can't detect it doesn't mean it's not happening.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by waltjp

I immediately thought of the swishing sound from hockey games. The problem is that Jim believes that 'live' means instantaneous. Not true, of course. Ever see a live broadcast that's been closed captioned?

Close captioning is done by feeding the scripts the announcers read to the close captioning video source or by someone actually typing the words they hear.

What that has to do with altering sounds I do not understand.

Live closed captioning always has some lag time, because the person has to hear the dialogue and then type it. It's very similar to court reporting, equipment-wise. The only time closed captioning doesn't have lag time is on pre-recorded shows or movies, when the captioner has access to the script. Even then, the captioning doesn't show all the words from the dialogue whereas in live captioning, the poor soul is trying to type EVERY word.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Live closed captioning always has some lag time, because the person has to hear the dialogue and then type it. It's very similar to court reporting, equipment-wise. The only time closed captioning doesn't have lag time is on pre-recorded shows or movies, when the captioner has access to the script. Even then, the captioning doesn't show all the words from the dialogue whereas in live captioning, the poor soul is trying to type EVERY word.

Most newscasts are closed captioned via the written scripts fed to the anchors via the teleprompter.

[David B]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Most newscasts are closed captioned via the written scripts fed to the anchors via the teleprompter.

That is simply not true also. You really need to give this up as Garth suggested you obviously don't understand the technology of TV or sound.

Closed caption is done usually off site and the feed is captioned back live. They listen to what's being said and feed it back to the TV stations.
You can't go by a teleprompter because the newsreporter might change what's on the prompter or they might cut away to a network broadcast etc,.

We used the same company that does all of ESPN and Fox news and they did our captioning for our TV broadcasts and its pretty neat how accurate they actually are.

The 5-7 seconds of lag time allow numerous types of editing to the sound that is broadcast. We simply think its live.

Turn on a radio broadcast of the game that is on TV and listen to the difference - then turn on the TV broadcast and you will see an abundance of edited sounds, etc.,

I can do the same on my MAC computer as we broadcast our TV each week - add reverb, sound effects, what ever I can think of, it can be added.

Thansk
David

Originally Posted by David B

That is simply not true also. You really need to give this up as Garth suggested you obviously don't understand the technology of TV or sound.

Closed caption is done usually off site and the feed is captioned back live. They listen to what's being said and feed it back to the TV stations.
You can't go by a teleprompter because the newsreporter might change what's on the prompter or they might cut away to a network broadcast etc,.

We used the same company that does all of ESPN and Fox news and they did our captioning for our TV broadcasts and its pretty neat how accurate they actually are.

The 5-7 seconds of lag time allow numerous types of editing to the sound that is broadcast. We simply think its live.

Turn on a radio broadcast of the game that is on TV and listen to the difference - then turn on the TV broadcast and you will see an abundance of edited sounds, etc.,

I can do the same on my MAC computer as we broadcast our TV each week - add reverb, sound effects, what ever I can think of, it can be added.

Thansk
David

What he said!

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by David B

Turn on a radio broadcast of the game that is on TV and listen to the difference - then turn on the TV broadcast and you will see an abundance of edited sounds, etc.,

I can do the same on my MAC computer as we broadcast our TV each week - add reverb, sound effects, what ever I can think of, it can be added.

Thansk
David

The difference in audio is the number of audio sources between TV and radio.
TV adds different sounds by miking more sounds of the game, not by creating them.