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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 03:37pm
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Jicecone,
Man i dont know,it sounds more like the same word twice.I am not sure of the word,but he says it twice.I turned the tv up pretty loud so i could try to make it out,and i still say he is saying something like"HI HI" it is two words that sound totally the same.If it was stir-ri-ke you could hear the stir and the ike as two different sounds.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 06:31pm
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Jicecone,
Man i dont know,it sounds more like the same word twice.I am not sure of the word,but he says it twice.I turned the tv up pretty loud so i could try to make it out,and i still say he is saying something like"HI HI" it is two words that sound totally the same.If it was stir-ri-ke you could hear the stir and the ike as two different sounds.
Thanks for the reply!!!
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I also heard the same thing and assumed that was what was said considering how they doctor up the sounds for TV. (Eg. Each pitch has some sound added to it, like the swish of the wind. Maybe it was just my ears though.)
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 06:35pm
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I also heard the same thing and assumed that was what was said considering how they doctor up the sounds for TV. (Eg. Each pitch has some sound added to it, like the swish of the wind. Maybe it was just my ears though.)
Say what?

How in the world can any technology "doctor" sounds in a live event"?

That is called EDTING, but, to do that, it first has to be recorded.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 06:42pm
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Say what?

How in the world can any technology "doctor" sounds in a live event"?

That is called EDTING, but, to do that, it first has to be recorded.
Not true.

They can, for example as the PGA does, direct a microphone to pick up a particular sound. (The swing and impact on tee shots)

They can run that signal through the board and "sweeten" it or alter it in, depending on the technology they are using, thousands of ways. Live. Right now. As it happens.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 07:33pm
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Not true.

They can, for example as the PGA does, direct a microphone to pick up a particular sound. (The swing and impact on tee shots)

They can run that signal through the board and "sweeten" it or alter it in, depending on the technology they are using, thousands of ways. Live. Right now. As it happens.
Mikes of course can be directed at an audio source, the cup and tee in golf, the net in basketball, etc. But those sounds cannot be alterted on a live broadcast....enhanced in volume,,,but not altered...and certainly no umpire's strike call can be changed to something it is not.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 08:08pm
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Mikes of course can be directed at an audio source, the cup and tee in golf, the net in basketball, etc. But those sounds cannot be alterted on a live broadcast....enhanced in volume,,,but not altered...and certainly no umpire's strike call can be changed to something it is not.
Oh, my gawd.

You are either living in the 1950's, technologically retarded or purposefully misrepresenting the truth,

Sounds can and often are altered on live broadcasts, in real time. I have seen it first hand as part of my job with a symphony orchestra and I know it to be done in many other situations. It is not difficult to tamper or alter a live sound as it goes through the board.

Some time back the NBA sweetened the sound of the basketball going through the net with a "popping sound" during live broadcasts and he NFL added an impact sound plus a swishing sound to hocky games.

Live broadcasted concerts often have additional tracks added to the live track to give the music that "studio" presence rather than the comparatively thin sound live performances often have.

It would no problem no alter an umpire's verbalization as he makes it. The decision as to what sound to use is made before the broadcast and the line carrying the umpire's voice is fed into a pre set board.

If you don't understand this simple technology, you should step back away from your computer or the magical spirits that make the pictures appear might get angry.
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Oh, my gawd.

You are either living in the 1950's, technologically retarded or purposefully misrepresenting the truth,

Sounds can and often are altered on live broadcasts, in real time. I have seen it first hand as part of my job with a symphony orchestra and I know it to be done in many other situations. It is not difficult to tamper or alter a live sound as it goes through the board.

Some time back the NBA sweetened the sound of the basketball going through the net with a "popping sound" during live broadcasts and he NFL added an impact sound plus a swishing sound to hocky games.

Live broadcasted concerts often have additional tracks added to the live track to give the music that "studio" presence rather than the comparatively thin sound live performances often have.

It would no problem no alter an umpire's verbalization as he makes it. The decision as to what sound to use is made before the broadcast and the line carrying the umpire's voice is fed into a pre set board.

If you don't understand this simple technology, you should step back away from your computer or the magical spirits that make the pictures appear might get angry.
I immediately thought of the swishing sound from hockey games. The problem is that Jim believes that 'live' means instantaneous. Not true, of course. Ever see a live broadcast that's been closed captioned?
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Mikes of course can be directed at an audio source, the cup and tee in golf, the net in basketball, etc. But those sounds cannot be alterted on a live broadcast....enhanced in volume,,,but not altered...and certainly no umpire's strike call can be changed to something it is not.
With not much effort I believe the umpire's first strike call could be recorded and replaced thereafter on a live broadcast with "BULLSH*T", if one was so inclined to do so. Computers man, computers.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 10:44pm
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With not much effort I believe the umpire's first strike call could be recorded and replaced thereafter on a live broadcast with "BULLSH*T", if one was so inclined to do so. Computers man, computers.

Well, there is certainly that.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 10:56pm
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With not much effort I believe the umpire's first strike call could be recorded and replaced thereafter on a live broadcast with "BULLSH*T", if one was so inclined to do so. Computers man, computers.
I just got off the phone with a friend who works for a CBS affiliate who provides production assistance at west coast events. He confirmed they sweeten the audio from the tee mic... "slightly, but not unnaturally" according to him. He stated that they alter the sound to match what "viewers expect to hear.'

"The natural sound of a golf swing, even a pro's does not coincide with the visual perception of the power of the swing. We make the swing and the contact with the ball sound more powerful."

He will send me an email in the AM and I'll cut and paste it here. He'll address the crowd noise issue as well.

I may have to take the pyana man off the ignore list long enough to see if he's still covering his ears and singning la la la la la la la la la.

Edited to add: Yep...he is.
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