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I don't share the knee-jerk defense of the umpire. The suspension seems to be more than justified.
Meacham (the first base coach) has not backed off anything. This is what he told MLB, according to the San Diego Union Tribune: Winters instigated the incident by calling Bradley a “bleeping piece of (expletive).” It was Meacham who responded first, walking up to Winters. “I'd never heard something like that on a baseball field,” Meacham said. “I was like, whoa, you can't say that. There was a reason why I walked on the field.” “Winters should apologize to Milton,” Meacham said. “I know what I heard. Milton was wronged. His future is at stake here. I'm not in anybody's corner. I just want the truth to come out. Winters made a mistake. He lost his cool. He snapped. All of us make a mistake. It was stuff that just shouldn't be said. Milton did what anybody in baseball would have done.” As for the "neutral witness," the Rockies first baseman: When asked Sunday about the incident, Helton chose his words carefully, saying it was "interesting and crazy." |
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The same thing here in the papers. Winters was dumped for using profanity directed at the player. This has nothing to do with backing your partner or race. Bradley confronted Winters on his way to first and Winters held his hand up and told him to back off. Bradley lost his cool and Winters said, "Shut up, you "f***ng piece of sh**", according to those nearby. Sounds like he earned the penalty to me.
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Oh, Winters just gets to rest up for the playoffs, huh? Grow the F up.
You guys keep calling reddevil a rat, etc....he was the only one on this forum who was there, on the first base side, watching the whole thing, including the between innings antics of Runge and Winters. It looks like Winters got what he deserved. You can't say that to someone without any consequence. He's lucky Meacham and Black were there to keep him from getting an a-whoopin'.
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As recently as the 70's and 80's umpires it was acceptable for umpires to use the same language as the Rats during heated confrontations. An F-you from the Rat was met with an F-you, too from the umpire. "Piece of ****" was and is a common reference of and by both rats and umpires. Sometime in the last 20 years, for whatever reason, umpires have had their leash yanked when it comes to language on the field. I don't if today's player get his feelings hurt easier or what, but umpires are now taught to avoid using Rat language when arguing with Rats. Winters apparently lost his cool and slipped to the old ways. 2. Who knows why the first base coach lied. He lied twice. First he told the media that Winters made a "racial comment." Then he said it was a comment that "could be taken racially." With that, he threw Winters under the bus. The result of F1's testimony and other (lip reading?) experts called upon by MLB indicate that Winters called the POS rat a "F@#&ing piece of sh!t." The MLB investigation, according to some inside, also indicates that Winters reported exactly what he said to his crew chief. So when the first base coach also told the media that Winters lied to his crew chief, he was lying again. 3. Better language, perhaps. 4. None that I care to see. So, while the original allegations against Winters have been proven false, he was found guilty of using inappropriate language, which he admitted, and has been suspended. Despite SDS claims, I have no problem admitting Winters' error now that the facts are known, and I believe his punishment is appropriate. Now, I can wait just as patiently for the other shoe to fall. What penalty will be appropriate for Bradley?
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The first time he talked to the press, the lying F@#%ing piece of sh!t claimed that Winters made a "racial" comment. He toned it down later to a comment "that could be taken racially." And then, when confronted with the knowlege that the F3 would be testifying, changed his story again to the accurate statement. Just what do you consider backing off?
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Thanks for the responses
Ok, I can see where you guys are coming from on this with your experiences and I appreciate the responses. I'm guessing that we're never going to publicly get the rest of the conversation that occurred, and at this point, it probably doesn't matter. Meacham probably should stop talking altogether now.
Someone mentioned that Winters "couldn't" eject Bradley from 1st at the time of the bat flip. It sure looked like that was his intention, but he stopped himself. In my time when I used to do PA and stats for my former High School's baseball team, I saw on a couple of occasions where one umpire got rid of a player who showed up the other umpire behind his back. I'm guessing that something like that maybe is frowned upon at MLB level? From my fan perspective, I really wish Winters had done that. Thanks again for your insights. |
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Winters got what he deserved? Maybe, maybe not.
As far as Bradley goes, poetic justice may have to prevail here. There is no where in civilized society that anyone can react the way that Bradley has, now and in the past, and not face serious consequences. That young man has some serious, serious anger and in my opinion maturity issues. It's of little interest to me if he ever plays again. JMHO |
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One point of interest. How oblivious is Brian Runge not to see a bat thrown at him? That event hasn't been mentioned by any of the umpire crew as being serious or I feel it would have been addressed at the actual time it happened. Whether you like Milton Bradley or not, Mike Winters is the one who crossed the line big time. If I have a situation that needs to be taken care of, I'm doing it then, not three innings later.
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