Brushing off the picthing plate and the bases

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Welcome, wanna know something that few do?

There is more force applied to the arm of the FP pitcher than the same aged baseball pitcher.

I'd disagree with that - as well as virtually every doctor that has studied the topic. I believe most rule sets allow the girls to pitch much more than the guys of the same age. Even LL did a study this past year and that's why they put the boys on pitch count - but not the girls. FP motion puts far less strain on the arm than a baseball motion.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I'd disagree with that - as well as virtually every doctor that has studied the topic.

You may disagree but :

"Dr. Sherry Werner of the Tulane Institute of Sports Medicine has been researching pitching mechanics for 19 years. She studied windmill pitchers as they performed throwing exercises. Different intervals of the pitch were observed, and kinetic calculations of the shoulder joints were calculated and then compared to those of baseball pitchers. What her research found was the stress placed on the shoulder joints was similar to baseball pitchers."

http://softballwest.com/articles/183/

My former employer worked with athletes and had more FP SB F2s than any other athlete in for post-rehab. Sherry was a frequent visitor.

I believe most rule sets allow the girls to pitch much more than the guys of the same age. Even LL did a study this past year and that's why they put the boys on pitch count - but not the girls. FP motion puts far less strain on the arm than a baseball motion.

It does but to a point. The FP pitcher stresses the elbow joint much less (less twisting) and the force is more vertical than horizontal to the shoulder joint. Larger muscles are involved for FP. Nonethe less, the amopunt of force in terms of bodyweight is nearly the same.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by fitump56

You may disagree but :

"Dr. Sherry Werner of the Tulane Institute of Sports Medicine has been researching pitching mechanics for 19 years. She studied windmill pitchers as they performed throwing exercises. Different intervals of the pitch were observed, and kinetic calculations of the shoulder joints were calculated and then compared to those of baseball pitchers. What her research found was the stress placed on the shoulder joints was similar to baseball pitchers."

http://softballwest.com/articles/183/

My former employer worked with athletes and had more FP SB F2s than any other athlete in for post-rehab. Sherry was a frequent visitor.


It does but to a point. The FP pitcher stresses the elbow joint much less (less twisting) and the force is more vertical than horizontal to the shoulder joint. Larger muscles are involved for FP. Nonethe less, the amopunt of force in terms of bodyweight is nearly the same.

Similar? Yes. . . More? (As you said in your post) No. It was your "more stress" that got my attention. Sherry also said that while a player shouldn't throw game after game after game every other weekend - she did say that it was OK occasionally. I don't think any doctor would say that about a baseball motion . . . but I could be wrong on that too.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by fitump56
You may disagree but :

"Dr. Sherry Werner of the Tulane Institute of Sports Medicine has been researching pitching mechanics for 19 years. She studied windmill pitchers as they performed throwing exercises. Different intervals of the pitch were observed, and kinetic calculations of the shoulder joints were calculated and then compared to those of baseball pitchers. What her research found was the stress placed on the shoulder joints was similar to baseball pitchers."

http://softballwest.com/articles/183/

My former employer worked with athletes and had more FP SB F2s than any other athlete in for post-rehab. Sherry was a frequent visitor.


It does but to a point. The FP pitcher stresses the elbow joint much less (less twisting) and the force is more vertical than horizontal to the shoulder joint. Larger muscles are involved for FP. Nonethe less, the amopunt of force in terms of bodyweight is nearly the same.

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Similar? Yes. . . More? (As you said in your post) No. It was your "more stress" that got my attention.

Stress (force) and the athletic injury is a complex science of kinesiolgy, biomechanics, anatomical fitness...point being that more force on a joint (which is where force is most influential) does not necesarily mean a higher cause of injury. The FP F2's force is pulling the shoulder joint vertically, Basbeall more to the anterior (horizontally); the former being easier for the human body to handle (decelerate).

See this widely ignored post.


http://forum.officiating.com/showpos...27&postcount=1

Sherry also said that while a player shouldn't throw game after game after game every other weekend - she did say that it was OK occasionally. I don't think any doctor would say that about a baseball motion . . . but I could be wrong on that too.

No, you would be right. Although the forces are equal, the body's ability to handle that force is much superior in the underhand pitch. Note the link above and the inverted palm pointing away from the body midline, a key deceleration for the OH pitcher. Not so good on the elbow.

Sadly, the coaches who have few FP pitchers wear them out b/c "it's easy on the arm". Horse****, my boss saw more girls F2s than boys.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by fitump56

my boss saw more girls F2s than boys.

F2's or F1's?

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

F2's or F1's?

Both actually but significantly (by %) more girl F1s. Male F1s tended to have more diverse injuries probably caused by the fact that they often played other positions. Female F2s lower back and knees.