I Guess I Deserved it, or Maybe Not.....

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

No, I wasn't trying to defend what I said. I was attempting to see if you in any way could relate to what it's like to see this happen to your own son. You can't, so think about that before you jump back on your pedestal and tell me what you would have done.


Tim.

I like the view from my pedestal.

I used to coach adult teams many years ago. I pulled this same kind of crap. Guess what? EVERY ump that did one of my games was ready to eject me, and would after the first comment of any kind questioning their calls.

I deserved it. I will not sit here and try defend my behavior. Yes, some of these guys made HORRENDOUS calls, and worse than against my son, they were against ME!!!

I know far too well where you are coming from, and I am telling your with certainty that if you cannot restrain yourself from making disparaging comments towards umpires, or any sports official while you are at games, you should either:

1 - Quit attending games.
2 - Quit umpiring while your son plays.

I know umpires who could handle it gracefully, and would never think to conduct themselves like you did.

Again, there is no way you can defend your actions.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by rei

I like the view from my pedestal.

I used to coach adult teams many years ago. I pulled this same kind of crap. Guess what? EVERY ump that did one of my games was ready to eject me, and would after the first comment of any kind questioning their calls.

I deserved it. I will not sit here and try defend my behavior. Yes, some of these guys made HORRENDOUS calls, and worse than against my son, they were against ME!!!

I know far too well where you are coming from, and I am telling your with certainty that if you cannot restrain yourself from making disparaging comments towards umpires, or any sports official while you are at games, you should either:

1 - Quit attending games.
2 - Quit umpiring while your son plays.

I know umpires who could handle it gracefully, and would never think to conduct themselves like you did.

Again, there is no way you can defend your actions.

I guess you're going to make me out to be a monster no matter how much contrician I show. Not that it really matters as you've already formed your opinion that I'm some heinous individual that seeks out umpires working my sons games to prey on them, but I think you should know something. The game in question where the comment was made involved my oldest son. The game last night involved my middle son. I have had three sons playing baseball at levels from tee-ball to HS for 12 years, and this was the only, I repeat only time I was foolish enough to let my emotions as a parent overwhelm me. I'd say all told I've attended over 2,000 games involving my sons over the years. One bad decision out of two thousand chances isn't all that bad.


You were a coach and as such had an understanding that there would be umpires that would hold a grudge against you because of a prior incident. It's not right for them to do so, but to me it's more understandable than for an umpire to hold a similar grudge against a parent.


Tim.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You were a coach and as such had an understanding that there would be umpires that would hold a grudge against you because of a prior incident. It's not right for them to do so, but to me it's more understandable than for an umpire to hold a similar grudge against a parent.


Tim.

Wait! Are you a parent or a parent who umpires too?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by rei

Wait! Are you a parent or a parent who umpires too?

No, he's an umpire who happens to be a parent as well.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Hey rei, what exactly would you do to someone who yelled something at you 2 years ago? I am curious to know. You said you would "do worse" than this umpire did. What exactly did you mean by that?

Not sure really. But, if you were my target, you would know for sure that I didn't take kindly to the incident!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by rei

Not sure really. But, if you were my target, you would know for sure that I didn't take kindly to the incident!

You would end up with your as$ handed to you too.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You would end up with your as$ handed to you too.

My brother has a saying "What do you think I'm going to be doing while you are whipping my as$?"

[DG]

This thread has been high entertainment.

I once coached. I gave umpires all the heck I could but never got tossed. I knew where the line was. Then I started umpiring and also coached. I gave umpires less heck, knew more about the line. Then I stopped coaching and only umpire. Now I NEVER holler at an umpire in a game I am watching regardless of the situation. I MIGHT lean over to someone I am with and comment on a ruling that is in the process of being blown, but that's about it.

I think BIGUMP's hollering at the umpire was poor conduct of an umpire, especially mentioning Money and even an amount. Many fans would consider the amount a lot, who don't know anything about association fees, travel expenses, equipment purchases, insurance, etc., not to mention games that go 3.5 hours on the back side of a double header, bruises and broken bones due to little darling catchers who can't catch, getting off work early to work a double header and getting home late, the list goes on and on...

The point is BIGUMP lost his mind for a moment, forgot who he was, what he does for a hobby. He should keep his mouth shut at future events and then he will not have to complain about some bigger jerk umpire who remembers, 2 years later.

[Tim C]

This thread should be locked.

I Like Turtles,

[BigUmp56]

I hope that's not the case, Tee. I'll withdraw from the thread in hopes that more reasonable minds can discuss the bigger issues.

* Is it ever appropriate for us to hold a grudge against a fan, player, or coach for a previous incident, whatever the reason

* Is it ever appropriate for an umpire to seek out a parent-fan-whatever before a game and issue a pre-game warning.



Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Yes, Tim came on to admit a mistake he made a couple years ago, rei wants to send him to prison, comparing him to a child molester. Yes, I would say this thread has taken a wrong turn somewhere.

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by Tim C

This thread should be locked.

I Like Turtles,

Tee agreed

Also since you like turtles

Are you a fan of the movie series Rocky?

Cuff and Link come to mind

Pete Booth

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by rei

Wait! Are you a parent or a parent who umpires too?

I would hope that anyone who works as an umpire in their spare time, or even as a profession would tell you they're a parent first.


Tim.

[ozzy6900]

I think that many of you need to remember a saying uttered by a Holy Man of old - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I wish that He were here now because He would be scribing in the dirt how many of you have done similar things that Tim has admitted to!

We have all at one time violated that sacred rule, I don't care who you are. If you sat in the stands and leaned over to your wife and said, "The BU on this game hasn't a clue" is just as bad as yelling it out!

I think that Tim was wrong for what he did (just as I was many years ago) but someone that holds a grudge for two years is a lot worse (at least in my opinion).

Tim, you had the balls to step up and tell us your trip to the Dark Side and as long as you learned from your mistake (remember people, we all make them) and gained enlightenment from the incident, go forth and "sin" no more.

Regards

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I think that many of you need to remember a saying uttered by a Holy Man of old - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I wish that He were here now because He would be scribing in the dirt how many of you have done similar things that Tim has admitted to!

We have all at one time violated that sacred rule, I don't care who you are. If you sat in the stands and leaned over to your wife and said, "The BU on this game hasn't a clue" is just as bad as yelling it out!

I think that Tim was wrong for what he did (just as I was many years ago) but someone that holds a grudge for two years is a lot worse (at least in my opinion).

Tim, you had the balls to step up and tell us your trip to the Dark Side and as long as you learned from your mistake (remember people, we all make them) and gained enlightenment from the incident, go forth and "sin" no more.

Regards

Very well stated, Super M.