I Guess I Deserved it, or Maybe Not.....

[Tim C]

"The ultimate hero? A martyr? A christlike figure willing to be sacrificed at the alter of bad umping?"

Again, it does not pay to say even the most simple of facts on this website.

Knowing Tim as I do he made a well thoughtout and measured response to the calling umpire. He was "probably" not an over-the-top "daddy" type responder.

I said a "certain amount" bravery. And I stand by that.

Tim knew both that as his position as an umpire he could be criticize (or even penalized) for speaking his mind.

The decision to not only confront the original issue but to also bring it here for dicussion showed a "certain amount" of bravery.

Don, after reading your posts for some time there isn't much we agree on . . . this is just another one of those issues.

Regards,

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Again, it does not pay to say even the most simple of facts on this website.

No offense Tim, but to consider it bravery to yell insults at an umpire is ridiculous.
I challenge you to find anyone, who is not a personal friend of the OP, that would call this brave.

Originally Posted by Tim C

Knowing Tim as I do he made a well thoughtout and measured response to the calling umpire. He was "probably" not an over-the-top "daddy" type responder.

So would you salute a coach for bravery that makes the same well thought out and measured comment to you?

Originally Posted by Tim C

I said a "certain amount" bravery. And I stand by that.

Tim knew both that as his position as an umpire he could be criticize (or even penalized) for speaking his mind.

I would call that a lack of discernment, not a measure of bravery.

Originally Posted by Tim C

The decision to not only confront the original issue but to also bring it here for dicussion showed a "certain amount" of bravery.

It does take guts to expose this type of dirty laundry to fellow officials, but your first reference to bravery was regarding his unsportsmanlike comment to the umpire, not his soul purging post.

Originally Posted by Tim C

Don, after reading your posts for some time there isn't much we agree on . . . this is just another one of those issues.

And despite your disagreement I bravely post on

[SanDiegoSteve]

Don,

As I pointed out, he came forward here and admitted his error in judgment. He let his emotions dictate his behavior. He began his post by saying he felt he possibly deserved what happened. I think the umpire in question is an idiot, and shouldn't be allowed on a baseball field. People like this are not fellow umpires IMO. They are clowns masquerading as umpires, and know nothing about the game.

Please don't even try to say that you have never hollered at an umpire before, because I'm just not buying it. That goes for the rest of you sanctimonious liars out there. You've all booed the umpire before. You may not have done what Tim did, but I read here all the time about how so-and-so blew the call on the MLB game, and how they shouldn't even have a job, etc.

We criticize other umpires all the time. Tim just got caught up in the moment. He came here, the one place he can go to confess his sins, and everyone is taking pot-shots at him now. He's a big boy, and he can take the assaults, but remember that he had the courage to admit his mistake.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I think the umpire in question is an idiot, and shouldn't be allowed on a baseball field. People like this are not fellow umpires IMO. They are clowns masquerading as umpires, and know nothing about the game.

An umpire screws up a rule(maybe) and he's now an idiot and a clown? Methinks that you and Tim really do have a lot in common. What you both have in common is a complete lack of professionalism.

Whether the umpire was right or wrong isn't really a factor. What really does matter is that you've got a supposedly fellow umpire publicly back-stabbing one of his supposed brethren. We expect that from coaches and fans. We don't expect it from fellow officials.

I wouldn't like to share a field with either of you. I'd be afraid to turn my back.

Sad.......

[lawump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Don,

Please don't even try to say that you have never hollered at an umpire before, because I'm just not buying it.

I admit it: as a child I yelled at umpires.

I have never yelled at any umpire since the day I became one. EVER. I've had discussions with them after the game, WHEN I'M THERE EVALUATING THEM FOR OUR ASSOCIATION...but if I'm there just as a fan (i.e. my son's games) I just let it go.

If you want to call me a liar go ahead, that's simply a crutch to justify your own behavior.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by lawump

I admit it: as a child I yelled at umpires.

I have never yelled at any umpire since the day I became one. EVER. I've had discussions with them after the game, WHEN I'M THERE EVALUATING THEM FOR OUR ASSOCIATION...but if I'm there just as a fan (i.e. my son's games) I just let it go.

If you want to call me a liar go ahead, that's simply a crutch to justify your own behavior.

You're telling me you've never booed along with your buddies at a major league baseball game? You just sat there and said nothing. Wow, that's restraint.

When I umpire, I fully expect to be booed, as it is rich in tradition of this grand game.

[lawump]

I've been known to get popcorn and peanuts thrown at me when my family (diehard Red Sox fans) are at a baseball game and they're all screaming at the umpire and I'm defending him.

Frankly, as for MLB, maybe because I knew or know enough of them from my days in pro ball...it makes it pretty hard for me to boo and or yell at them. Its always easier to yell at a stranger than someone you lived and traveled with for 6 months, or who was in your umpire class, or was in the same minor league as you or was your teacher/mentor at umpire school and after.

In all my time in pro ball there was only 1 guy who I couldn't stand and in whom I found no redeeming qualities...we nearly came to blows one spring...but while I hope to God he doesn't get promoted from the reserve list ahead of some other persons on that list...I still can't bring myself to boo him.

[Tim C]

"In all my time in pro ball there was only 1 guy who I couldn't stand and in whom I found no redeeming qualities...we nearly came to blows one spring . . ."

I guess every class has one of "these guys" (@ Brinkman it was a minor league instructor that lied, cheated and attempted intentionally to place certain students in a bad light).

I took care of ours (while there were no blows I did push him in the chest hard enough that he lost his balance).

Since that January anyone in our class has always called "problem umpires": "Oh he's just a Whitehead.")

Just for the record I don't even cheer at professional games so there would be no reason to comment on the umpire's qualities.

I Like Turtles,

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You're telling me you've never booed along with your buddies at a major league baseball game? You just sat there and said nothing. Wow, that's restraint.

When I umpire, I fully expect to be booed, as it is rich in tradition of this grand game.

Not in many, many years. I do sometimes wonder what thay saw.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

JR, please explain how misinterpreting a rule is basically a judgment call.

Maybe the umpire "saw" the pitcher step off with the correct foot. Maybe he was confused. Maybe he blinked at that moment. Maybe he chose that moment to ogle a GLM.

None of those are "excuses" but I know I've (likely) missed a call fro some unexplanable reason -- case in point: HS Regional game. I'm PU. R2 scores; defense appeals he missed third. I can see (in my mind's eye) R2 approaching third. I can see him leaving third. I have no effin' idea whether he touched third, so I denied the appeal. Dugout went nuts. I'm "sure" I missed it. I have no idea what happened in that stretch.

[BigUmp56]

I knew when I started the thread there would be many of you that would jump my arse. Truth is I'm glad you did because I deserved it. I already knew there was no excuse for what I did, and believe me, I'm not asking any of you to excuse it. I was wrong...wrong...wrong for saying a word to the guy. I did it though and that cannot be changed. The point of the thread, if there is just one point, is to find out what my brothers in blue think about this guy seeking me out before a game two years after I gave him a hard time in order to issue a threat to me. We talk all the time about starting a game involving a coach we've recently dumped with a new slate. It just didn't seem right to me for him to seek me out and issue issue a pre-game warning to a parent.


Tim.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Don,

As I pointed out, he came forward here and admitted his error in judgment. He let his emotions dictate his behavior. He began his post by saying he felt he possibly deserved what happened. I think the umpire in question is an idiot, and shouldn't be allowed on a baseball field. People like this are not fellow umpires IMO. They are clowns masquerading as umpires, and know nothing about the game.

Please don't even try to say that you have never hollered at an umpire before, because I'm just not buying it. That goes for the rest of you sanctimonious liars out there. You've all booed the umpire before. You may not have done what Tim did, but I read here all the time about how so-and-so blew the call on the MLB game, and how they shouldn't even have a job, etc.

We criticize other umpires all the time. Tim just got caught up in the moment. He came here, the one place he can go to confess his sins, and everyone is taking pot-shots at him now. He's a big boy, and he can take the assaults, but remember that he had the courage to admit his mistake.

SDS,
Please reread my posts, comprehension is essential.
Though I'm not in agreement with what Tim said, I have not been piling on.
My posts have been aimed specifically at Tim's #1 apologist Tim C who called his outburst an act of bravery.

[Tim C]

If I was a basketball coach I would be paid to win (and possibly be fired if I ran a losing program) and therefore I would contend, over a cold adult beverage, that I should be held to no higher standard than any other coach.

Why should I be at a disadvantage?

While I don't wear these two hats I would contend that my JOB allows me certain leeway . . .

I Like Turtles,