I Guess I Deserved it, or Maybe Not.....

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

No, I wasn't trying to defend what I said. I was attempting to see if you in any way could relate to what it's like to see this happen to your own son. You can't, so think about that before you jump back on your pedestal and tell me what you would have done.


Tim.

I like the view from my pedestal.

I used to coach adult teams many years ago. I pulled this same kind of crap. Guess what? EVERY ump that did one of my games was ready to eject me, and would after the first comment of any kind questioning their calls.

I deserved it. I will not sit here and try defend my behavior. Yes, some of these guys made HORRENDOUS calls, and worse than against my son, they were against ME!!!

I know far too well where you are coming from, and I am telling your with certainty that if you cannot restrain yourself from making disparaging comments towards umpires, or any sports official while you are at games, you should either:

1 - Quit attending games.
2 - Quit umpiring while your son plays.

I know umpires who could handle it gracefully, and would never think to conduct themselves like you did.

Again, there is no way you can defend your actions.

Originally Posted by CoachJM

I would guess that it is well known in his community that Tim is an umpire. So, when he made his disparaging comment to the umpire who made the incorrect call during his son's game, I would guess that to many who heard it at the time, his comment was that of an experienced official (rather than just the mindless drivel of a clueless parent, frequently and regularly heard at youth baseball games).

As such, as Tim obviously knows and has freely admitted, his comments were certainly inappropriate.

However, for the umpire to hold a grudge for over TWO YEARS over a comment made during a youth baseball game and to accost a fan and threaten him before a game is obscenely unprofessional, most certainly conduct unbecoming an umpire, and an infantile response to the situation.

Umpires should conduct themselves like umpires when they arrive at a game site and completely ignore fans unless their conduct affects the progress of the game - even if their feelings were hurt during a game two years ago.

JM

I can only hope that one day you can truly join the ranks of sports officials.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by rei

I like the view from my pedestal.

I used to coach adult teams many years ago. I pulled this same kind of crap. Guess what? EVERY ump that did one of my games was ready to eject me, and would after the first comment of any kind questioning their calls.

I deserved it. I will not sit here and try defend my behavior. Yes, some of these guys made HORRENDOUS calls, and worse than against my son, they were against ME!!!

I know far too well where you are coming from, and I am telling your with certainty that if you cannot restrain yourself from making disparaging comments towards umpires, or any sports official while you are at games, you should either:

1 - Quit attending games.
2 - Quit umpiring while your son plays.

I know umpires who could handle it gracefully, and would never think to conduct themselves like you did.

Again, there is no way you can defend your actions.

I guess you're going to make me out to be a monster no matter how much contrician I show. Not that it really matters as you've already formed your opinion that I'm some heinous individual that seeks out umpires working my sons games to prey on them, but I think you should know something. The game in question where the comment was made involved my oldest son. The game last night involved my middle son. I have had three sons playing baseball at levels from tee-ball to HS for 12 years, and this was the only, I repeat only time I was foolish enough to let my emotions as a parent overwhelm me. I'd say all told I've attended over 2,000 games involving my sons over the years. One bad decision out of two thousand chances isn't all that bad.


You were a coach and as such had an understanding that there would be umpires that would hold a grudge against you because of a prior incident. It's not right for them to do so, but to me it's more understandable than for an umpire to hold a similar grudge against a parent.


Tim.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You were a coach and as such had an understanding that there would be umpires that would hold a grudge against you because of a prior incident. It's not right for them to do so, but to me it's more understandable than for an umpire to hold a similar grudge against a parent.


Tim.

Wait! Are you a parent or a parent who umpires too?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by rei

Wait! Are you a parent or a parent who umpires too?

No, he's an umpire who happens to be a parent as well.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by rei

Wait! Are you a parent or a parent who umpires too?

I would hope that anyone who works as an umpire in their spare time, or even as a profession would tell you they're a parent first.


Tim.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Hey rei, what exactly would you do to someone who yelled something at you 2 years ago? I am curious to know. You said you would "do worse" than this umpire did. What exactly did you mean by that?

Not sure really. But, if you were my target, you would know for sure that I didn't take kindly to the incident!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by rei

Not sure really. But, if you were my target, you would know for sure that I didn't take kindly to the incident!

You would end up with your as$ handed to you too.

[Tim C]

This thread should be locked.

I Like Turtles,

[BigUmp56]

I hope that's not the case, Tee. I'll withdraw from the thread in hopes that more reasonable minds can discuss the bigger issues.

* Is it ever appropriate for us to hold a grudge against a fan, player, or coach for a previous incident, whatever the reason

* Is it ever appropriate for an umpire to seek out a parent-fan-whatever before a game and issue a pre-game warning.



Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Yes, Tim came on to admit a mistake he made a couple years ago, rei wants to send him to prison, comparing him to a child molester. Yes, I would say this thread has taken a wrong turn somewhere.

[ozzy6900]

I think that many of you need to remember a saying uttered by a Holy Man of old - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I wish that He were here now because He would be scribing in the dirt how many of you have done similar things that Tim has admitted to!

We have all at one time violated that sacred rule, I don't care who you are. If you sat in the stands and leaned over to your wife and said, "The BU on this game hasn't a clue" is just as bad as yelling it out!

I think that Tim was wrong for what he did (just as I was many years ago) but someone that holds a grudge for two years is a lot worse (at least in my opinion).

Tim, you had the balls to step up and tell us your trip to the Dark Side and as long as you learned from your mistake (remember people, we all make them) and gained enlightenment from the incident, go forth and "sin" no more.

Regards

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I think that many of you need to remember a saying uttered by a Holy Man of old - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I wish that He were here now because He would be scribing in the dirt how many of you have done similar things that Tim has admitted to!

We have all at one time violated that sacred rule, I don't care who you are. If you sat in the stands and leaned over to your wife and said, "The BU on this game hasn't a clue" is just as bad as yelling it out!

I think that Tim was wrong for what he did (just as I was many years ago) but someone that holds a grudge for two years is a lot worse (at least in my opinion).

Tim, you had the balls to step up and tell us your trip to the Dark Side and as long as you learned from your mistake (remember people, we all make them) and gained enlightenment from the incident, go forth and "sin" no more.

Regards

Very well stated, Super M.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

We have all at one time violated that sacred rule, I don't care who you are. If you sat in the stands and leaned over to your wife and said, "The BU on this game hasn't a clue" is just as bad as yelling it out!

Really, you mean that? A simple whisper is as bad as a public screaming? Really? I'm trying to help you here.

Really?

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I hate rats as much as the next guy,

I'm not the next guy. Make note.