My 1st Ejection

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

I was working the game solo.

I had come out from behind the plate and had set to call the catch/no catch just short of the pitcher's mound to the 3B side where I had an angle on the initial attempt.

When no one came up showing the ball after the collision, I started running towards RF, about midway between 1B and 2B to get an angle to clear the tangle of the 2 fielders and was probably about a step or two onto the infield dirt when I saw the ball on the ground.

JM

Coach, you did what you had to do in the situation - no big deal like others are making of it. Just remember that if those fielders were not on the ground, you may get a throw back into the infield, but that would be a different situation.

To the amateurs out there, the number one, most important thing that an umpire needs to know is the status of the ball. Nothing can happen without the ball! Try to keep that in mind in the future!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

To the amateurs out there, the number one, most important thing that an umpire needs to know is the status of the ball. Nothing can happen without the ball! Try to keep that in mind in the future!

This is not true. There is a lot that can happen without the ball. If someone misses a based and there is no play on that runner, the ball is not relevant to the play. This is the very reason someone should not be working alone during any baseball game.

Peace

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not true. There is a lot that can happen without the ball. If someone misses a based and there is no play on that runner, the ball is not relevant to the play. This is the very reason someone should not be working alone during any baseball game.

Peace

You might want to check with any pro, college or HS instructor, Rut. Nothing is more important than the ball! NOTHING!

You are correct that many things can go on, but the first and foremost thing is the ball. Everything else is secondary to this.

Regards.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

You might want to check with any pro, college or HS instructor, Rut. Nothing is more important than the ball! NOTHING!

You are correct that many things can go on, but the first and foremost thing is the ball. Everything else is secondary to this.

Regards.

I do not care what any pro, college or HS instructor says. That is in my opinion not a very good point of view or philosophy if you ask me. And this is only a baseball mentality where you think the ball is everything. Well it is not and when you miss the obstruction call or a missed base, tell the coach then how important the ball is then. I am also not saying that the ball is not important, but it surely is not the only thing.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is the very reason someone should not be working alone during any baseball game.

Working solo is not a big deal. I've worked hundreds of games alone, including JV games and Colt games on big diamonds. You just have to hustle, and if anyone argues a call you tell them to hire two umpires next time, and that shuts them right up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Working solo is not a big deal. I've worked hundreds of games alone, including JV games and Colt games on big diamonds. You just have to hustle, and if anyone argues a call you tell them to hire two umpires next time, and that shuts them right up.

I am not talking about it from the angle of folks arguing calls. I am talking about that when you work varsity and college ball, you do not work the game from only one point of view. Working by yourself gets you into bad habits and you do not get to work the game from positions that will really make you a good umpire. Part of being a really good umpire is knowing how to handle a game on the bases. Many of the toughest calls are made from there and making them from weird angles is not helpful in the long run if you ask me.

Peace

[UmpJM]

Jeff,

...Working by yourself gets you into bad habits and you do not get to work the game from positions that will really make you a good umpire. Part of being a really good umpire is knowing how to handle a game on the bases. ...

I think these are pretty good points. I might say "..can get you into bad habits..." rather than "...gets you into...", but the point is valid nonetheless.

However, I'm the new guy. I go out of my way to work 2-man games, but the fact is, at this point, the majority of the games that are available to me are solo.

I think it's better for my development as an umpire to work more games, even if solo, than to "hold out" for just 2-man games.

While I would agree that two competent umpires are preferable to one, I would argue that one competent umpire is better than two who are less than competent. (Possibly better than one who is and one who isn't.)

The world is not always the way we wish it were. Such is life.

I umpire because I enjoy it. While I like working a 2-man game better than solo, I still have fun when I work solo. You ought to try it some time.

JM

[JRutledge]

JM,

I am not referring to you directly. You have to do what you have to do. But from my point of view working solo stunts the growth of umpires. There are guys where we live struggling in their 4th and 5th year when they finally work a 2 man game. They do not know where to go and where to stand which is extremely basic stuff. Once again this is just an opinion. I know there are people that disagree.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

from my point of view working solo stunts the growth of umpires. There are guys where we live struggling in their 4th and 5th year when they finally work a 2 man game. They do not know where to go and where to stand which is extremely basic stuff.

If I had been forced to work solo exclusively for 4 or 5 years before working 2-man, I would have been lost too. They never did that to us here. Everyone who was qualified got to go work with the veterans, and get work on the bases. Plus, we had instructors, clinics, and several pro school grads and minor league umpires doing drills with us. One in particular had me running pivots from "A" in a shopping mall parking lot under the lights late at night after a game. There was a whole lot of emphasis on developing umpires who wanted to learn and advance when I started out.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

JM,

But from my point of view working solo stunts the growth of umpires. There are guys where we live struggling in their 4th and 5th year when they finally work a 2 man game. They do not know where to go and where to stand which is extremely basic stuff. Once again this is just an opinion. I know there are people that disagree.

Peace

I agree that 2 man crews will generally call a better game and in a perfect world all leagues would hire 2 per game BUT
If he wants to learn 2 man before he gets to varsity he has the opportunity. There are multiple clinics every year teaching 2 man, there are resources on line and published, there are summer games with 2 man crews that he could get. There's no excuse for an umpire to have that deer in the headlights look on the bases after 4 or 5 years if he was truly motivated.
So my question is: Did the solo games stunt him or did he stunt himself with lack of motivation?

Working solo as a beginning ump has its advantages.
It forces you to work on game management skills.
It definitely hones your sense of anticipating where the play will develop.
In one man your always looking for the angle because you usually are sacrificing distance, then when you get to 2 man you've already developed the knack for the angle and by default you've cut your distance.
You have no one to pow wow with on a rules interp question so after your first screw up(when you realize you're not all knowing) it should be a motivating factor to get back into the rules and you learn real quick the art of BS.
The big problem I found after doing many solo games and then going to BU in 2 man was trying to stay in the game.
BU is very boring if you're used to solo gigs.

JM, this is your first year. Does any of this ring true for you?

I enjoy the comraderie of 2 man before and after the game but the game itself goes much faster for me as PU with or without a partner.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Jeff,



I think these are pretty good points. I might say "..can get you into bad habits..." rather than "...gets you into...", but the point is valid nonetheless.

However, I'm the new guy. I go out of my way to work 2-man games, but the fact is, at this point, the majority of the games that are available to me are solo.

I think it's better for my development as an umpire to work more games, even if solo, than to "hold out" for just 2-man games.

While I would agree that two competent umpires are preferable to one, I would argue that one competent umpire is better than two who are less than competent. (Possibly better than one who is and one who isn't.)

The world is not always the way we wish it were. Such is life.

I umpire because I enjoy it. While I like working a 2-man game better than solo, I still have fun when I work solo. You ought to try it some time.

JM

John,

I'd rather eat lead paint than work solo.

--Rich

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I'd rather eat lead paint than work solo.

So would I, but there was never any lead paint around when I needed it, so I just went ahead and worked the games.

The $69 I got for solo JV games was not to bad, even if working solo is worse than root canal.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not talking about it from the angle of folks arguing calls. I am talking about that when you work varsity and college ball, you do not work the game from only one point of view. Working by yourself gets you into bad habits and you do not get to work the game from positions that will really make you a good umpire. Part of being a really good umpire is knowing how to handle a game on the bases. Many of the toughest calls are made from there and making them from weird angles is not helpful in the long run if you ask me.

Well, while I have worked many a solo game (as I said, hundreds) I have worked at least 2,800+ games with a partner, and probably around half of them on the bases, so I don't think mixing in solo games got me into any bad habits. You just have to adjust to it. Making calls from what you call weird angles sharpens your ability to call from the plum angles you get working the bases.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, while I have worked many a solo game (as I said, hundreds) I have worked at least 2,800+ games with a partner, and probably around half of them on the bases, so I don't think mixing in solo games got me into any bad habits. You just have to adjust to it. Making calls from what you call weird angles sharpens your ability to call from the plum angles you get working the bases.

There is a big difference between working a solo game here and there and only working solo games for several years until you get a varsity contest (which is very common in this part of the state). Also one of the reasons working with a partner is better. You have someone that can evaluate you on some level if you are working 2 man constantly. When you work the plate, someone can see how your zone looks. When you are on the bases, your partner can tell you about your timing on a play at first. I have worked with many umpires that are just getting their shot at 2 man to see them do things that they might have long stopped doing if they had an experienced umpire watching them.

Also baseball is not a sport where someone can go all over the place and work games at a camp every other weekend like basketball as an example. So many times umpires are just doing what they know to do and often the things they do is just flat our wrong.

Peace

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

To the amateurs out there, the number one, most important thing that an umpire needs to know is the status of the ball. Nothing can happen without the ball! Try to keep that in mind in the future!

And to those who have moved beyond amateur status, while half of this is true (The number one thing you need to know is the status of the ball), the other half is not. One of the things I find myself UNteaching semi-new guys is the obsession with the ball - staring at it ALL the time. In THIS OP, the status of the ball has become important enough to ignore all else until you have determined out/safe... but in many other situations, the status of the ball will remain undetermined for some period of time, or has already been determined, and JUST watching the ball is bad advice.

"Nothing can happen without the ball" --- umpires that follow this cardinal rule will miss OBS and INT calls on a consistent basis. OBS and INT most certainly happen without the ball. MC can as well.