Is it a balk?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

Do you minimize your role in the game so much to think you have no influence?

If you understand your job, you understand that you have no undue influence on the outcome of the game.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

if he PROTESTED, fine! let the process WORK, and ACCEPT the decision.....


without cluttering up a UMPIRES' forum with constant WHINING. I have PLENTY to say about certain RATS but I dont' WHINE about them ON and ON (to other RATS, no less) when I dont' get the answer i WANTED.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

if he PROTESTED, fine! let the process WORK, and ACCEPT the decision.....


without cluttering up a UMPIRES' forum with constant WHINING. I have PLENTY to say about certain RATS but I dont' WHINE about them ON and ON (to other RATS, no less) when I dont' get the answer i WANTED.

Did you not get hugged enough as a child?

I asked about a call in a game where the call made by the umpire directly influenced the outcome of the game(since the winning run was scored on said balk). Where did I whine?

Instead you go off on people calling them rats because you are this mighty umpire and act and talk like every one else is below you. Perhaps you can admit that one of our fellow umpires, yes, i did say fellow, made the incorrect call that decided a game.

Just a follow up. We did protest the game and will find out tomorrow on the ruling.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

I asked about a call in a game where the call made by the umpire directly influenced the outcome of the game(since the winning run was scored on said balk). Where did I whine?

Again, the call did not cost you the game. There was more baseball played after the call, with plenty of opportunities to score more runs. The winning run did not score on that balk. Only the go ahead run scored on the balk. It didn't end the game. If it ended the game, then it may have cost you the game.

Now you await the decision on the protest. It will likely be upheld, as it appears the umpire blew the call. Did it have an effect on the game? Most certainly. Did it cost you the game? Absolutely not.

Your team failed to score any more runs. That's not the umpire's fault. He is not to blame because your team moped around about the umpire screwing them, and let it affect them to the point where they couldn't take matters into their own hands.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by GarthB

If you understand your job, you understand that you have no undue influence on the outcome of the game.

That is just plain wrong!!!

I do understand my job and I'm surprised you think the influence of the umpire is so minimal.
I understand fully that if I blow a rules interp I can have a significant undue influence on the game.
That is why the job of umpire is so important

[GarthB]

My job is to see that neither side has an advantage not intended by rule.

I do my job.

This isn't brain surgery, painting the Mona Lisa or curing cancer. You are not as important as you seem to think.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by GarthB

My job is to see that neither side has an advantage not intended by rule.

And you think I disagree?

Originally Posted by GarthB

I do my job.

You think I disagree?

Originally Posted by GarthB

This isn't brain surgery, painting the Mona Lisa or curing cancer. You are not as important as you seem to think.

Interesting that you come back on the attack and yet do not speak to the issue.
We're talking about a game of baseball, so all importance is relative to that game.

Speaking of relative importance...
Why is the Mona Lisa in the same sentence with curing cancer and brain surgery?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

And you think I disagree?

So you appeared.

Interesting that you come back on the attack and yet do not speak to the issue.

Read my posts. I've spoken to the issue. I've told you what my job is and why I do not have an undue influence on the result of any game I work. I do my job. I don't strike out, I don't miss a base, I don't balk, I don't drop fly balls, I don't throw wild pitches, I don't miss tags, and I don't argue mindlessly with umpires.

I do my job, and by so doing, again, I do not have an undue influence on the outcome.

Now then, I am speaking for me. Perhaps you work differently .

Speaking of relative importance...
Why is the Mona Lisa in the same sentence with curing cancer and brain surgery?

It would take pages to explain to one with no understanding of the history of art, but the short version is....it's all in the hands, not the smile.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I do my job, and by so doing, again, I do not have an undue influence on the outcome.

Here's my original premise:

Originally Posted by Don M

Why is it so outlandish to suggest that an umpire who screws the pooch on a rules interp which definitively results in a score can't have some responsibility in the outcome?

Which is exacly why as umpires we need to know our rules!

No where in that post or any subsequent post did I say GarthB screws the pooch, doesn't do his job, has an undue influence on the game or ever misinterprets the rules.

What I continue to say is that if an umpire, except Garth, blows a rules interp then the influence on the game can be profound.
Do you disagree?

I'm not sure if you take exception because you never blow a rules interp or if you think that IF a rules interp is blown it CANNOT effect the game.

My second post I said this:

Originally Posted by Don M

I was speaking generally to the sentiment on this thread that an umpire has no effect on the outcome.
A blown rules interp can impact a game, nothing wrong with admitting it, it's the truth.

You've taken serious offense to one of these statements. Which one was it?

Originally Posted by GarthB

It would take pages to explain to one with no understanding of the history of art, but the short version is....it's all in the hands, not the smile.

No sense in quibbling over non important museum art.