Consensus for an unbelieving offspring, please

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by waltjp

What rule set are you playing?

Good point, Walt. I didn't even consider they may be playing under FED rules.


Tim.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Good point, Walt. I didn't even consider they may be playing under FED rules.


Tim.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Every season I see a couple of pitchers who know how to legally step back from the windup with their pivot foot without showing a concurrent motion to pitch with their hands, and pick off a runner. It's a thing of beauty when done correctly, although it always brings an interesting exchange with the offensive manager that wan'ts a balk called.



Isn't this the definition of FED. Legally step back......

[DG]

If your son might play a game somewhere down the road under FED rules he may need to know that a pitcher can not make a pickoff move from the windup position. He can under OBR but not FED. It would be best for the lad to just assume that he can be picked off from the windup and act accordingly.

[David B]

Originally Posted by DG

If your son might play a game somewhere down the road under FED rules he may need to know that a pitcher can not make a pickoff move from the windup position. He can under OBR but not FED. It would be best for the lad to just assume that he can be picked off from the windup and act accordingly.

But the question remains, who has ever seen someone pick a runner off from the windup position. (OBR rules of course)

I know that it is legal, but have never seen it done. Often wondered why, but figured probably because most umpires do NOT know the rule and would call it a balk.

But for the 14 year old, keep listening to your Dad. It will usually keep you out of trouble down the road.

Thanks
David

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by David B

But the question remains, who has ever seen someone pick a runner off from the windup position. (OBR rules of course)

I know that it is legal, but have never seen it done. Often wondered why, but figured probably because most umpires do NOT know the rule and would call it a balk.

I have seen quite a few pitchers attempt pickoffs from the windup position (some successfully), both directly from the rubber, and also by quickly stepping off with the pivot foot. I would say that 99% of the umpires I've worked with (last season's gang excepted ) would know that it was legal, and not call it a balk. Why would "most" umpires not know this?

[David B]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I have seen quite a few pitchers attempt pickoffs from the windup position (some successfully), both directly from the rubber, and also by quickly stepping off with the pivot foot. I would say that 99% of the umpires I've worked with (last season's gang excepted ) would know that it was legal, and not call it a balk. Why would "most" umpires not know this?

I'm not talking about stepping off with the correct foot. I'm talking about being in the windup position and then simply stepping to the base and attempting the pickoff.

I've never seen it attempted in any level above JV and then it was done because the kid didn't know any better. (And of course it has to be OBR rules I add)

Its a legal move, but for some reason it either simply does not work or as I suggested, it would probably be called a balk 99% of the time.

Thanks
David

[DG]

Originally Posted by David B

But the question remains, who has ever seen someone pick a runner off from the windup position. (OBR rules of course)

I know that it is legal, but have never seen it done. Often wondered why, but figured probably because most umpires do NOT know the rule and would call it a balk.

I have never seen a successful pickoff from the windup, but I have seen many successful putouts when the pitcher stepped off the rubber with the correct foot and made the play.