Critique, Please

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the one saying Lilly intentionally hit Renteria? He also had a perfect game going.

Two outs in the first inning and hits the third batter and it ruined the perfect game? Wow Don, that is really lame.

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

Maybe because Peavy publicly announced that if he was pitching he would retaliate and then poof there he was tackling Lee. Hard to make the argument that he was a peacemaker.

I did not ever say that 1) Peavy was acting as peacemaker, or 2) that Peavy should not have been ejected, or 3) that he did not tackle Lee. I said that he tackled Lee to prevent Lee from doing any more damage than he already had.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I did not ever say that 1) Peavy was acting as peacemaker, or 2) that Peavy should not have been ejected, or 3) that he did not tackle Lee. I said that he tackled Lee to prevent Lee from doing any more damage than he already had.

Duh, acting to prevent more damage would be the role of a peacemaker.

As for Zambrano, he apparently was smart enough to stay out of the sightline of the umps.

If I was a pitcher that just put a 90mph fastball an inch away from a mans chin on accident I'd be a bit more humble, might even say sorry. If I'd just retaliated I'd be cocky and tell Lee to get his ### to first and shut-up.
I think Young showed everyone what his intentions were.

I don't fault him for retaliating, but it should have been Soriano, not Lee, but then even the Padre faithful would have had a hard time denying the intent.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

I don't fault him for retaliating, but it should have been Soriano, not Lee, but then even the Padre faithful would have had a hard time denying the intent.

Again, this was not retaliation for Soriano's little home run dance the day before. If this were the case, it would have 1) happened the first time through the batting order, and 2) been Soriano, not Lee.

This was a pitch that got away from Young. It was meant to be inside, but not hit Lee. Like I said, the pitch just grazed him. At first glance it appeared to have hit the bat, not Lee. Chris Young's immediate reaction was one of disgust with himself for hitting the batter.

Look at the replay. It was either an Oscar winning performance or a genuine reaction, and it was clear that Young was mad at himself. It wasn't until Lee walked toward the mound and spouted off did Young understandably say something back to Lee. He shouldn't have to apologize (when do they ever do that? ) Had Lee done what he was supposed to do, which is go directly to first base, then none of what happened would have.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Again, this was not retaliation for Soriano's little home run dance the day before.
It wasn't until Lee walked toward the mound and spouted off did Young understandably say something back to Lee. He shouldn't have to apologize (when do they ever do that? ) Had Lee done what he was supposed to do, which is go directly to first base, then none of what happened would have.

1. Soriano dances
2. Peavy and other pitchers issue veiled threats
3. Cubs best hitter gets a high hard one directed to the head
4. Lee takes exception
5. Young smarts off and tells Lee to get his ### to first
6. Brawl ensues
7. Peavy gets right in the middle of the action

You could blame it on Soriano, but since it's in his home park it's harder to make a reasonable argument that he was showing up the visiting team.

You could blame it on Peavy and his crew for 1. being so sensitive and 2. publicly announcing a need for retaliation.

You could blame it on Young, intentional or not, for putting one at Lee's head and seemingly following through with what the Leader of the pitching staff publicly announced.

Or you could blame it on Young for being a smart a##.

You could blame the HP umpire for daydreaming

Lee was the only one with out a dog in the fight until Young threw at him.

Blame it on Lee if you like, but I think there's plenty of of culpability to go around.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Get hit with baseball. Go to first. Go directly to first. Do not GO to the mound. Do not collect $200,000,000 contracts.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Get hit with baseball. Go to first. Go directly to first. Do not GO to the mound. Do not collect $200,000,000 contracts.

I was going to say the same about Peavy's comments
Give up a homer to the opposition-deal with the dancing

Throwing at someones head potentially endangers their livelihood.
Lee was the only on in this whole scenario with a right to be p@@@@@ off.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Well, I see there is no reasoning with you about this, so I am done. You are going to spin this your way because you must be a Cubs fan. I don't believe that Young was trying to hit Lee. That is my position. You can tell a lot by a pitchers initial reaction, and Young clearly was not throwing at Lee. If you look at Lilly's initial reaction after hitting Renteria, you can tell there was no regret whatsoever.

Young, on the other hand, was upset that he had hit a batter. It was in the fourth inning, a 0-0 score, and he had not allowed a base runner. Do you realize what a perfecto or a no-no would mean to the city of San Diego? They have not had one in their 38 year history.

Young wants nothing more than to be the first Padre with a no-hitter or perfect game. He wasn't going to jeopardize this for a stupid retaliation, I don't care what veiled threat Peavy allegedly made. Peavy is a hot-head like Zambrano. Chris Young is actually a very level headed young man with a boat load of class.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It happened in the fourth inning, not the first.

If you are talking about Ted Lilly's ejection by Ron Wolf, it was in the first inning:

From FOXSports:

Lilly, who was ejected after two-thirds of an inning in his previous start against Atlanta for hitting Edgar Renteria with a pitch,