What Fakes Are Legal in FED?

[cshs81]

Which of the following are legal in FED:

1. R1 running to 2nd - F6 holds his hands up signaling "foul ball" and to "hold up". R1 stops , retreats, is tagged out.

2. R1 stealing, BR hits fly ball to outfield, F6 acts as if he is fielding the groundball causing R1 to slide into 2nd.

3. R1 R3. R1 stealing 2nd base. F6 cuts off throw from F2. F4 , covering 2nd, acts as if the throw was not cut off . R1 slides into 2nd.

4. "Miami fake pickoff" play.

5. R1 stealing. BR hits shot to RF. F6 acts as if he's camping under the popup. R1 retreats to F3. No one said "pop up" "get back", etc.

[UmpJM]

cshs81,

1. Not sure - I could see treating this one as Obstruction.

2. Legal.

3. Legal.

4. Legal

5. Legal.

JM

[bluezebra]

What is the "Miami fake pickoff" play?

Bob

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

What is the "Miami fake pickoff" play?

Bob

Pitcher steps off the rubber and fakes a throw to first complete with good follow through. First baseman, yells "damn" or something to that effect and acts as if the ball went over his head. He turns to run it down and idiot R1, with the blessing of his moron base coach, takes off for second. F1 then throws to second for the put-out.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Pitcher steps off the rubber and fakes a throw to first complete with good follow through. First baseman, yells "damn" or something to that effect and acts as if the ball went over his head. He turns to run it down and idiot R1, with the blessing of his moron base coach, takes off for second. F1 then throws to second for the put-out.

The play I thought was Miami follows. R1 steals, F4 covers the bag facing the outfield. F6 or F8 run out to catch shallow fly ball thrown out there by the catcher. R1, thinking it was a pop-up, returns to 1B in attempt to re-touch. Defense manages to tag R1 before touching 1B. So did I make this up?

Which original Miami play helped them go on to win one of their National CWS Title?

[DG]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Pitcher steps off the rubber and fakes a throw to first complete with good follow through. First baseman, yells "damn" or something to that effect and acts as if the ball went over his head. He turns to run it down and idiot R1, with the blessing of his moron base coach, takes off for second. F1 then throws to second for the put-out.

I thought the Miami play was at 2B. F1 turns and fakes a pickoff to 2B with R2 on base. F4and F6 dive toward each other behind the bag as if the ball was overthrown into CF, and F8 of course is running in like he is fielding the overthrow. R2 is thrown out advancing to 3B by F1 who still has the ball.

But I guess that is the stuff of legend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Hurricanes_baseball

[DG]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

cshs81,

1. Not sure - I could see treating this one as Obstruction.

2. Legal.

3. Legal.

4. Legal

5. Legal.

JM

For #3 if F4 fakes a tag he is guilty of obstruction and will receive a warning not to do this again, and be removed from the game if he does. R1 is awarded 2B on the obstruction, which he would have made it anyway since F6 cut off the throw.

[UmpJM]

I completely agree with DG and Garth's assertion that under FED, a fake tag would be illegal (and deemed Obstruction) were it to be part of the fielder's action in #3.

JM

P.S. And my recollection of the "Miami play" is as described by DG.

[TussAgee11]

Heard about a play called "Rainbow" in which, with a runner stealing and obviously going to get the base, F2 throws the ball high into the air towards F4. F4 camps under it, everyone on the defense yells "UP!" trying to get R1 to retreat to 1st.

Obstruction of the verbal kind if the team yells "UP!"?? I would think so under FED.

[DG]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Heard about a play called "Rainbow" in which, with a runner stealing and obviously going to get the base, F2 throws the ball high into the air towards F4. F4 camps under it, everyone on the defense yells "UP!" trying to get R1 to retreat to 1st.

Obstruction of the verbal kind if the team yells "UP!"?? I would think so under FED.

Verbal obstruction under FED.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

I completely agree with DG and Garth's assertion that under FED, a fake tag would be illegal (and deemed Obstruction) were it to be part of the fielder's action in #3.

JM

P.S. And my recollection of the "Miami play" is as described by DG.

Click on his link and you'll find that it more resembles my description, which was based on a tape I have of the play.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by cshs81

3. R1 R3. R1 stealing 2nd base. F6 cuts off throw from F2. F4 , covering 2nd, acts as if the throw was not cut off . R1 slides into 2nd.

This would depend on how F4 acts as if the throw was not cut off.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

This would depend on how F4 acts as if the throw was not cut off.

And by this he means if F4 lays down a fake tag on R1, then he has obstruction in FED baseball.

[cshs81]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

And by this he means if F4 lays down a fake tag on R1, then he has obstruction in FED baseball.

I assume the rules are in place for safety. If so, how is any act I described legal if it results in a runner sliding? I would think example #2 would be illegal since it resulted in a player sliding when there was no play on him.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by cshs81

I assume the rules are in place for safety. If so, how is any act I described legal if it results in a runner sliding? I would think example #2 would be illegal since it resulted in a player sliding when there was no play on him.

Any act of a fake tag results in a warning. Next offense results in an automatic ejection.