When does a slide begin?

[DG]

MC should be instantly recognized and instantly punished. In this case, airborne shoulder to the catcher's stomach when he has two knees on the ground sounds like textbook example of MC.

[JRutledge]

Who says you cannot have MC and a slide? The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Who says you cannot have MC and a slide? The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Peace

Did anyone say that? This instance, however, clearly was not a slide and therefore had no chance of not being MC.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Did anyone say that? This instance, however, clearly was not a slide and therefore had no chance of not being MC.

My comment stands. When a runner starts a slide has nothing to do with if there is MC on a play. If the runner plowed into a fielder, when the slide starts is not going to change the call. You either have MC or you do not.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My comment stands. When a runner starts a slide has nothing to do with if there is MC on a play. If the runner plowed into a fielder, when the slide starts is not going to change the call. You either have MC or you do not.

Peace

Take a foot first slide into a home plate that is completely blocked by a catcher. In a) the runner starts a slide early enough that he is completely on the ground before contacting the catcher and in b) the slide is started late enough that the runner contacts the catcher while still completely in the air, cleats first.

One of these is MC and one is a legal slide and it is entirely due to when the slide started.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Take a foot first slide into a home plate that is completely blocked by a catcher. In a) the runner starts a slide early enough that he is completely on the ground before contacting the catcher and in b) the slide is started late enough that the runner contacts the catcher while still completely in the air, cleats first.

One of these is MC and one is a legal slide and it is entirely due to when the slide started.

You are coming at this from the wrong point of view in my opinion. All contact is not considered illegal or malicious as it relates to calling the game. The OP says basically that the runner was in the process of a slide but ran over the fielder. So at the time of contact there was no slide. Also all slides are not legal. If you come up spikes high, that is not a legal slide. So when it starts is not the issue. If you run into a fielder without actually sliding, then you can easily have MC. Do not make this more complicated than it already is. It is really not that hard.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are coming at this from the wrong point of view in my opinion. All contact is not considered illegal or malicious as it relates to calling the game. The OP says basically that the runner was in the process of a slide but ran over the fielder. So at the time of contact there was no slide. Also all slides are not legal. If you come up spikes high, that is not a legal slide. So when it starts is not the issue. If you run into a fielder without actually sliding, then you can easily have MC. Do not make this more complicated than it already is. It is really not that hard.

Peace

Frankly, I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with me. I'm saying that if a slide hasn't started you can have MC. If a slide is illegal, you can have MC. MC cannot occur during a legal slide.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are coming at this from the wrong point of view in my opinion. All contact is not considered illegal or malicious as it relates to calling the game. The OP says basically that the runner was in the process of a slide but ran over the fielder. So at the time of contact there was no slide. Also all slides are not legal. If you come up spikes high, that is not a legal slide. So when it starts is not the issue. If you run into a fielder without actually sliding, then you can easily have MC. Do not make this more complicated than it already is. It is really not that hard.

Peace

In my opinion, if gravity had pulled R1 down a few more inches and his buttons were scraping dirt I would have had a legal slide regardless of the consequence of the contact.
In this case R1 was about 1 second or 5 inches from legal

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My comment stands. When a runner starts a slide has nothing to do with if there is MC on a play. If the runner plowed into a fielder, when the slide starts is not going to change the call. You either have MC or you do not.

Peace

Maybe it's depends on your definition of 'plow'

If a runner is executing a legal slide what situation can you come up with where MC is a proper call?
Not saying it can't happen, just can't think of the scenario

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

Maybe it's depends on your definition of 'plow'

If a runner is executing a legal slide what situation can you come up with where MC is a proper call?
Not saying it can't happen, just can't think of the scenario

Consider a slide that is legal ... until runner brings his foot up and kicks at a glove. Legal right up until the second it turned into MC.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Consider a slide that is legal ... until runner brings his foot up and kicks at a glove. Legal right up until the second it turned into MC.

I don't see that as automatic MC. It could be just an illegal slide. And at any rate it wasn't ever a legal slide because it wasn't all of the way through.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Who says you cannot have MC and a slide? The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Peace

When would a legal slide result in MC?
I can't think of a situation where that could happen.

[shickenbottom]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

When would a legal slide result in MC?
I can't think of a situation where that could happen.

Think MC after the fact. Example, R3 comming home after a wild pitch, F1 comes in, R3 slides and is safe. F1 finally gets the ball beyond HP from F2, and then runner comes up and intentially shoves the pitcher in the back. Haven't seen it yet, but I can imagine it from some players with really bad attitudes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

When would a legal slide result in MC?
I can't think of a situation where that could happen.

If you have not fit all the requirements of a slide (at the moment of contact), it is kind of hard to have a legal slide at this point do you think?

Peace

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have not fit all the requirements of a slide (at the moment of contact), it is kind of hard to have a legal slide at this point do you think?

Peace

I'm not suggesting that the sitch in the OP was a legal slide.
I was asking in what scenario could you have MC on a runner while executing a legal slide.
The question is base on your earlier post:
"Who says you cannot have MC and a slide? The two things are not mutually exclusive."

If your comment did not assume "legal" slide then I understand.