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bob jenkins Mon May 07, 2007 07:05am

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Originally Posted by ranger71
F6 came across the bag to the outside (1b side) and cleared the bag. F6 was on dirt when R1 slid directly into the bag knocking F6 to the ground with his right foot. R1 slid with legs apart, foot not kicking, slashing, flailing, etc.

I'm (like all other respondents) confused. If R1 slid directly into the bag, how did he make contact with F6 who had cleared the bag to the RF side?

Eastshire Mon May 07, 2007 09:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I'm (like all other respondents) confused. If R1 slid directly into the bag, how did he make contact with F6 who had cleared the bag to the RF side?

If I'm reading the OP right, the slide was not what I would call directly into the bag. I see this as a runner sliding with his left leg and torso in line with first and second ("directly into the bag") but with his right leg at an angle to his body taking out the fielder. If this is the case, I have a FPSR violation.

btdt Mon May 07, 2007 09:40am

????????
Right field side of 2nd base
or
1st base side of 2nd base

Big difference

PeteBooth Mon May 07, 2007 09:46am

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranger71
Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.


As many others said, it's difficult to respond because of the lack of info.

Here's my take and how i envision the play.

F6, touches the bag to get out of the way on the sliding R1. F6 is now on the outfield side of second base. If R1 is sliding directly to the bag then the only way he can conatct F6 (who is now way off second base) is for him to 'stick out" his leg and make contact.

if the aforementioned is the case then it's a classic FPSR violation.

Pete Booth

ranger71 Mon May 07, 2007 11:29am

I apologize for perhaps the lack of clarity of this op. F6 came across the bag to the RF side, approximately 1 foot clear of the bag and both feet on the ground. R1 who is approximately 6'2" tall appeared to slide into the bag as I was was observing from the fenceline looking thru 1b to 2nd. As he slid at the bag, his legs were spread and knocked F6 to the ground with his right foot.

blueump Mon May 07, 2007 11:34am

Okay, I'll say it (preparing to get flamed):

If his legs are spread wider than the bag, he hasn't really slid "directly to the bag". I've got an illegal slide, DP.

David B Mon May 07, 2007 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranger71
I apologize for perhaps the lack of clarity of this op. F6 came across the bag to the RF side, approximately 1 foot clear of the bag and both feet on the ground. R1 who is approximately 6'2" tall appeared to slide into the bag as I was was observing from the fenceline looking thru 1b to 2nd. As he slid at the bag, his legs were spread and knocked F6 to the ground with his right foot.

That means he did not slide directly into the bag. If he makes contact with the fielder F6, F4 then its a clear FPSR violation.

If he makes no contact, then its ignored.

Thanks
David

GarthB Mon May 07, 2007 01:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueump

he hasn't really slid "directly to the bag".


Shouldn't that be "slud"?:D

blueump Mon May 07, 2007 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Shouldn't that be "slud"?:D

HMMMMMMMMM...maybe down south:cool:

English Verb - To Slide

Infinitive - to slide
Present participle - sliding
Past participle - slid


1. Present Tense

Singular
I slide
You slide
He/she/it slides

Plural
We slide
You slide
They slide

2. Present Progressive Tense

Singular
I am sliding
You are sliding
He/she/it is sliding

Plural
We are sliding
You are sliding
They are sliding

3. Past Tense

Singular
I slid
You slid
He/she/it slid

Plural
We slid
You slid
They slid

4. Present Perfect Tense

Singular
I have slid
You have slid
He/she/it has slid

Plural
We have slid
You have slid
They have slid

5. Present Perfect Progressive Tense

Singular
I have been sliding
You have been sliding
He/she/it has been sliding

Plural
We have been sliding
You have been sliding
They have been sliding

6. Past Progressive Tense

Singular
I was sliding
You were sliding
He/she/it was sliding

Plural
We were sliding
You were sliding
They were sliding

7. Past Perfect Tense

Singular
I had slid
You had slid
He/she/it had slid

Plural
We had slid
You had slid
They had slid

8. Past Perfect Progressive Tense

Singular
I had been sliding
You had been sliding
He/she/it had been sliding

Plural
We had been sliding
You had been sliding
They had been sliding

9. Future Tense

Singular
I will slide
You will slide
He/she/it will slide

Plural
We will slide
You will slide
They will slide

10. Future Progressive Tense

Singular
I will be sliding
You will be sliding
He/she/it will be sliding

Plural
We will be sliding
You will be sliding
They will be sliding

11. Future Perfect Tense

Singular
I will have slid
You will have slid
He/she/it will have slid

Plural
We will have slid
You will have slid
They will have slid

12. Future Perfect Progressive Tense

Singular
I will have been sliding
You will have been sliding
He/she/it will have been sliding

Plural
We will have been sliding
You will have been sliding
They will have been sliding


In any case, its illegal!:p

GarthB Mon May 07, 2007 01:38pm

Don't tell me my smiley face was for naught.

Oh, and you forgot:

(he) slides, slideth
(thou) slidst, sliddest

RPatrino Mon May 07, 2007 01:41pm

Apparently, Garth!!

SanDiegoSteve Tue May 08, 2007 01:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
Shouldn't that be "slud"?:D

Yessir, that there is the cor-rect way of sayin' it.

Dizzy Dean

blueump Tue May 08, 2007 06:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
Don't tell me my smiley face was for naught.

Oh, and you forgot:

(he) slides, slideth
(thou) slidst, sliddest

No, I got it:p

I just thunked I would edjumikate the rest of the reeders!


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