FPSR violation or good play?
 

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

If the runner's legs were spread on the slide (something I'm not sure I've ever seen) it doesn't sound like he slid directly into the bag. You haven't said whether or not the contact was sufficient to actually alter the play.


Tim.

FED Rule 2-32

Art 2 A slide is illegal if:

d. The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg


Sounds illegal to me.

Exactly where is the 2B side of 2B?

Ranger, please be more clear for us!! Where is F6 actually standing? What actually did R1 do with his legs? You mention R1 slid directly into 2b, but with his legs flailing at F6?

F6 came across the bag to the outside (1b side) and cleared the bag. F6 was on dirt when R1 slid directly into the bag knocking F6 to the ground with his right foot. R1 slid with legs apart, foot not kicking, slashing, flailing, etc.

Was the fielder on the 1B-2B 'baseline?'

F6 was to the right field side of the bag, not in the baseline.

If R1 was:
sliding
directly into the bag
not kicking, slashing, etc
AND F6 was "on the 1st base side of 2d"
I find it hard to imagine how there could be a FPSR violation; but I confess I remain a little unclear what R1 was doing that prompted the OP.

Was the fielder on the 1B-2B 'baseline?'

There is no 'baseline' between 1B-2B, or 2B-3B. It's 'base path'.

Bob

Bottom line ( not path), if the runner slides directly into a base, and doesn't go out of his/her way to initiate contact, then I have nothing.

You're by no means the only poster who repeats this canard. But the fact is that OBR has only one occurrence of the letter sequence "path", and it is not in conjunction with the word "base".

On the other hand, "baseline" is used frequently, and not always as a synonym for "foul line". Specifically the definition of the infield fly, and rule 7.08(a) use "baseline" while referring to the spaces between 1B-2B and 2B-3B.

Anyway, what's wrong with the word "baseline"?

Dave,

I think using the term "baseline" perpetuates the myth that a runner must run in a direct line between the bases. This especially holds true when applying 7.08(a) where it does say "baseline", but we as officials know it should be phrased as "basepath" to avoid confusion.


Tim.

I got two outs, and a SS that needs coaching on how to take a relay throw at second without getting his legs chopped off.

OK, was the fielder 'located on the direct xxx between 1B and 2B?'.

I'm getting at RPatrino's point, but I guess subtlety doesn't fly.

I'm (like all other respondents) confused. If R1 slid directly into the bag, how did he make contact with F6 who had cleared the bag to the RF side?

If I'm reading the OP right, the slide was not what I would call directly into the bag. I see this as a runner sliding with his left leg and torso in line with first and second ("directly into the bag") but with his right leg at an angle to his body taking out the fielder. If this is the case, I have a FPSR violation.

????????
Right field side of 2nd base
or
1st base side of 2nd base

Big difference

As many others said, it's difficult to respond because of the lack of info.

Here's my take and how i envision the play.

F6, touches the bag to get out of the way on the sliding R1. F6 is now on the outfield side of second base. If R1 is sliding directly to the bag then the only way he can conatct F6 (who is now way off second base) is for him to 'stick out" his leg and make contact.

if the aforementioned is the case then it's a classic FPSR violation.

Pete Booth

I apologize for perhaps the lack of clarity of this op. F6 came across the bag to the RF side, approximately 1 foot clear of the bag and both feet on the ground. R1 who is approximately 6'2" tall appeared to slide into the bag as I was was observing from the fenceline looking thru 1b to 2nd. As he slid at the bag, his legs were spread and knocked F6 to the ground with his right foot.

Okay, I'll say it (preparing to get flamed):

If his legs are spread wider than the bag, he hasn't really slid "directly to the bag". I've got an illegal slide, DP.

That means he did not slide directly into the bag. If he makes contact with the fielder F6, F4 then its a clear FPSR violation.

If he makes no contact, then its ignored.

Thanks
David

Shouldn't that be "slud"?:D

HMMMMMMMMM...maybe down south:cool:

English Verb - To Slide

Infinitive - to slide
Present participle - sliding
Past participle - slid


1. Present Tense

Singular
I slide
You slide
He/she/it slides

Plural
We slide
You slide
They slide

2. Present Progressive Tense

Singular
I am sliding
You are sliding
He/she/it is sliding

Plural
We are sliding
You are sliding
They are sliding

3. Past Tense

Singular
I slid
You slid
He/she/it slid

Plural
We slid
You slid
They slid

4. Present Perfect Tense

Singular
I have slid
You have slid
He/she/it has slid

Plural
We have slid
You have slid
They have slid

5. Present Perfect Progressive Tense

Singular
I have been sliding
You have been sliding
He/she/it has been sliding

Plural
We have been sliding
You have been sliding
They have been sliding

6. Past Progressive Tense

Singular
I was sliding
You were sliding
He/she/it was sliding

Plural
We were sliding
You were sliding
They were sliding

7. Past Perfect Tense

Singular
I had slid
You had slid
He/she/it had slid

Plural
We had slid
You had slid
They had slid

8. Past Perfect Progressive Tense

Singular
I had been sliding
You had been sliding
He/she/it had been sliding

Plural
We had been sliding
You had been sliding
They had been sliding

9. Future Tense

Singular
I will slide
You will slide
He/she/it will slide

Plural
We will slide
You will slide
They will slide

10. Future Progressive Tense

Singular
I will be sliding
You will be sliding
He/she/it will be sliding

Plural
We will be sliding
You will be sliding
They will be sliding

11. Future Perfect Tense

Singular
I will have slid
You will have slid
He/she/it will have slid

Plural
We will have slid
You will have slid
They will have slid

12. Future Perfect Progressive Tense

Singular
I will have been sliding
You will have been sliding
He/she/it will have been sliding

Plural
We will have been sliding
You will have been sliding
They will have been sliding

In any case, its illegal!:p

Don't tell me my smiley face was for naught.

Oh, and you forgot:

(he) slides, slideth
(thou) slidst, sliddest

Apparently, Garth!!

Yessir, that there is the cor-rect way of sayin' it.

Dizzy Dean

No, I got it:p

I just thunked I would edjumikate the rest of the reeders!