Overrun First on BOB

[RPatrino]

He's probably the F1 who has been slobbering all over the ball , too.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by GarthB

As I said, that was the JEA and MLB position prior to 2001. The JEA has not been updated and MLBUM no longer agrees with that interpretation. There is no bigger fan of Jim than me, but his opinion in this matter no longer is accepted by MLB.

Neither portion of your quote is applicable to a BOB batter/runner simply touching and overrunning first and not attempting to advance.

As of O6 this was how he was teaching it. If you have another source, could you send me a link or send me in the direction that I can read this. Nothing personnal but I would like to be able to read and see it for myself not just hear it.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

As of O6 this was how he was teaching it. If you have another source, could you send me a link or send me in the direction that I can read this. Nothing personnal but I would like to be able to read and see it for myself not just hear it.

San Diego Steve quoted the MLB Umpire Manual.

If you have a copy of the current J/R it's in there too.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

San Diego Steve quoted the MLB Umpire Manual.

If you have a copy of the current J/R it's in there too.

Well there ya go. My J/R is several years old and has it if he feints toward second, he's out. As for the MLBUM... I'd love to have one, how can I get my hands on one? That's the million dollar question.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Well there ya go. My J/R is several years old and has it if he feints toward second, he's out. As for the MLBUM... I'd love to have one, how can I get my hands on one? That's the million dollar question.

An overrun and a feint to second are two different animals.

He's still out of he feints then gets tagged while off the base.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

That's flat out wrong. The LL case book "The Right Call" says it's OK.

Don't confuse stepping off and overrunnung.

I'm not. Don't assume you know what I'm saying, because you don't.
I stated a fact: Andy Konyar himself told me that a batter-runner cannot overrun first base on a walk. If he does and is tagged, he's out.

I also stated that Andy told me this a while ago. I don't work Little League, so I wouldn't doubt the official ruling has changed. My statement was, indeed, then correct.

Apology accepted.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by UMP25

I'm not. Don't assume you know what I'm saying, because you don't.
I stated a fact: Andy Konyar himself told me that a batter-runner cannot overrun first base on a walk. If he does and is tagged, he's out.

I also stated that Andy told me this a while ago. I don't work Little League, so I wouldn't doubt the official ruling has changed. My statement was, indeed, then correct.

Apology accepted.

You aren't getting one because all I said (and SargeE7 too) was that your statement that you couldn't overrun on a walk was wrong. We stated where it was in writing from LL.

I also know who first showed me the ruling and when - it was in 1998 - and he showed me because I argued the "safe" call on an walk-overrun.

[UMP25]

What part of the interpretation changed do you not understand? My statement was, in fact, correct. The ruling today is different.

[justanotherblue]

I'm looking for the change in the OBR rulling. In the mean time, just to add to the debate...FED...8-2-7 runner does not have that right to over run on a base on balls award.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

I'm looking for the change in the OBR rulling. In the mean time, just to add to the debate...FED...8-2-7 runner does not have that right to over run on a base on balls award.

It's not in the rule, it's in the interpretation. And that can be found in the MLBUM. Tell me, when you look at the rule, does it say that a walked batter cannot overrun first?

[justanotherblue]

and you want how much for you MLBUM?

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by GarthB

It's not in the rule, it's in the interpretation. And that can be found in the MLBUM. Tell me, when you look at the rule, does it say that a walked batter cannot overrun first?

Actually the way it was presented to me was because the BR was awarded the base, there is no force put out. Therefore should he over run the base he is not protected as he is protected to the base because of the base on ball award. As for the J/R manual, it states if he feints, a feint being as much as a step toward second base. And yes, a step with intent. Something you don't see in higher levels of the game. That's usually in the black and blue leagues with poor coaching and excited kids. J/R also states you can be tagged out by being off the bag on the home plate side of the bag, dusting off. My OBR is not the latest version. I've been reading off the MLB site and haven't found anything that directly changes the above ruling. That doesn't mean it isn't changed. Which is why were discussing it. I think I have a line on an MLBUM, so that could change. I don't disagree with it, I just have to see it, read it, digest it, and put it in play.