That can't be right

SAump · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Apr 14, 2007, 08:38pm

Attention Editor, an article written about citrus plays contains two squeeze plays that I find interesting.

In the lemon squeeze, a batter bunts the pitch that hits the sliding runner and rolls fair. The catcher fields the ball and tags the batter out after the runs scores, but then a safe/fair/out call occurs.

I would suggest that the runner may be out, the ball dead and the batter awarded first base.

In the grapefruit squeeze, R3 and R2 score on a passed ball and R1 is called out for the batter's unintentional interference, ball makes contact with bat.

I would suggest that the batter may be out for intentional interference, confusing F1 who must shove him out of the way, the ball is dead and all three runner's must return to their bases at the TOP.

Gaff · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Apr 15, 2007, 12:15pm

1. Was this a day or night game?
2. Was the pitch a rising gyroball?

Rich Ives · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Apr 15, 2007, 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by SAump

Attention Editor, an article written about citrus plays contains two squeeze plays that I find interesting.

In the lemon squeeze, a batter bunts the pitch that hits the sliding runner and rolls fair. The catcher fields the ball and tags the batter out after the runs scores, but then a safe/fair/out call occurs.

I would suggest that the runner may be out, the ball dead and the batter awarded first base.

In the grapefruit squeeze, R3 and R2 score on a passed ball and R1 is called out for the batter's unintentional interference, ball makes contact with bat.

I would suggest that the batter may be out for intentional interference, confusing F1 who must shove him out of the way, the ball is dead and all three runner's must return to their bases at the TOP.

In the lemon squeeze, R3 had already scored at the time the ball hit him so he's safe. The ball touched a player while over fair territory so it's fair. You don't call anyting on plate-tangles so if F2 tagged the B-R he's out.

In the grapefruit squeeze, the out WAS called for interference. Runners return to the base legally touched AT THE TIME OF THE INTERFERENCE. In this case at that time they had scored. Runs score.

Don Mueller · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 10:46am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In the grapefruit squeeze, the out WAS called for interference. Runners return to the base legally touched AT THE TIME OF THE INTERFERENCE. In this case at that time they had scored. Runs score.

I'm confused please help.

If the last runner scored before the interference, then how can you have interference? No play, no call.

What am I missing?

Rich Ives · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 11:21am

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Originally Posted by Don Mueller

I'm confused please help.

If the last runner scored before the interference, then how can you have interference? No play, no call.

What am I missing?

Did you read the article?

Bases were loaded.

R3 and R2 scored.

Interference at the plate by the batter on the throw to get R1.

mcrowder · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 11:47am

This is what happens when you ask people to comment on a play ... and don't post the play.

Rich Ives · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 11:56am

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Originally Posted by mcrowder

This is what happens when you ask people to comment on a play ... and don't post the play.

SAump posted the synopsis. I'm surprised he hasn't been back with a 3 page disertation on why his analysis is correct.

Don Mueller · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 01:31pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Did you read the article?

Bases were loaded.

R3 and R2 scored.

Interference at the plate by the batter on the throw to get R1.

I didn't read the post very carefully. Sorry
The way I read it the first time the only two runners on scored.

Always Wright · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 06:48pm

[QUOTE=Rich Ives]In the lemon squeeze, R3 had already scored at the time the ball hit him so he's safe. The ball touched a player while over fair territory so it's fair. You don't call anyting on plate-tangles so if F2 tagged the B-R he's out.

Rich,

What rules are you talking about? I believe in OBR, R3 would be out and BR awarded first base.

7.09 "It is interference by a batter or a runner when -
(k) A fair ball touches him over fair territory..."
2.00 Definitions "A runner is an offensive player who is advancing to, or touching, or returning to any base."

The way I am envisioning the play, R3 is hit with a fair ball while advancing to or touching home plate. It seems according to the rules above, R3 is guilty of interference and should be called out. Could you please cite the rule that exempts him from this call because he has already scored?

Thanks.

Chris Wright

Rich Ives · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 09:06pm

[QUOTE=Always Wright]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In the lemon squeeze, R3 had already scored at the time the ball hit him so he's safe. The ball touched a player while over fair territory so it's fair. You don't call anyting on plate-tangles so if F2 tagged the B-R he's out.

Rich,

What rules are you talking about? I believe in OBR, R3 would be out and BR awarded first base.

7.09 "It is interference by a batter or a runner when -
(k) A fair ball touches him over fair territory..."
2.00 Definitions "A runner is an offensive player who is advancing to, or touching, or returning to any base."

The way I am envisioning the play, R3 is hit with a fair ball while advancing to or touching home plate. It seems according to the rules above, R3 is guilty of interference and should be called out. Could you please cite the rule that exempts him from this call because he has already scored?

Thanks.

Chris Wright

He had already touched home plate at the time he was hit. He was no longer a runner at the time he was hit. (and the run was legally scored and thus cannot be unscored)

SAump · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 09:07pm

[quote=Rich Ives]In the grapefruit squeeze, the out WAS called for interference. Runners return to the base legally touched AT THE TIME OF THE INTERFERENCE. In this case at that time they had scored. Runs score.

Rich,

I believe in OBR, a new rule change was added this year.

Rule 2.00 (Interference) Comment: In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch.

The way I am envisioning the play, B/R is hit with a thrown ball while interfereing with a fielder's attempt to make a play. It seems according to the rules above, batter is guilty of interference and should be called out. Could you please cite the rule that exempts all runners whom have already scored?

Thanks.

SAump, aka Not Alwaysright

Rich Ives · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 09:37pm

[QUOTE=SAump]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In the grapefruit squeeze, the out WAS called for interference. Runners return to the base legally touched AT THE TIME OF THE INTERFERENCE. In this case at that time they had scored. Runs score.

Rich,

I believe in OBR, a new rule change was added this year.

Rule 2.00 (Interference) Comment: In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch.

The way I am envisioning the play, B/R is hit with a thrown ball while interfereing with a fielder's attempt to make a play. It seems according to the rules above, batter is guilty of interference and should be called out. Could you please cite the rule that exempts all runners whom have already scored?

Thanks.

SAump, aka Not Alwaysright

That comment was not added this year - it's been around.

Anyhow, he's not the batter-runner - he's still the batter so the comment doesn't apply.

Back to 2.00 Interference (a) - all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference