2-Man crew loophole?

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Catch-No Catch has the priority over runners tagging up.

A good U1 will know that UIC will have difficulty with the tag-up and help out by checking on R3 (while maintaining his responsibility for R1)

Wouldn't this be a good pregame discussion? Seems like it might be possible for the U1 to take the runner at 3rd and let the UIC switch responsibility, as far as tagging, to the runner at 1st and the catch.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Wouldn't this be a good pregame discussion? Seems like it might be possible for the U1 to take the runner at 3rd and let the UIC switch responsibility, as far as tagging, to the runner at 1st and the catch.

Sure -- but an umpire should always know what his partner(s) are watching and look to help. Another example: R1 only. Trouble ball to center. R1 goes 2/3 of the way to second. Just at the time of the catch/no-catch, BR reaches first. Who should watch BR touch? By pure mechanics, it's U1. But, U1 is "busy" and UIC has nothing to do. So, UIC should help out and watch the touch.

[PeteBooth]

Even in a Pre-Game discussion it's virtually impossible to discuss many of these type plays.

IMO, there is nothing like communication during these type plays.

Using Bob's eample below, if by chance you didn't discuss this in pre-game communicate with your partner during the play.

Example: R1 ONLY and is in a pcikle between 1st and second.

Rather than have your partner the BU work hard, you as PU simply head towards first and when you get there COMMUNICATE this with your partner.

I am not advocating having no PRE-game etc. but in the event something was not covered, then Communicate with your partner.

Pete Booth

[3appleshigh]

I know a coach/ump, that has taught his kids, with a runner on 2nd to bunt on the first baseline, real close, also on the pitch r2 is stealing, they hit the cutout at third base and turn for home there, missing third by 3-4 feet, and easily scoring even if they get the BR @ 1st. His theory is there is no one there to see the touch/no touch of third. Very sneeky, obnoxious and a poor sport, but I gotta give him credit on using the two man to his advantage. This kind of Coach is bad for the game though.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

I know a coach/ump, that has taught his kids, with a runner on 2nd to bunt on the first baseline, real close, also on the pitch r2 is stealing, they hit the cutout at third base and turn for home there, missing third by 3-4 feet, and easily scoring even if they get the BR @ 1st. His theory is there is no one there to see the touch/no touch of third. Very sneeky, obnoxious and a poor sport, but I gotta give him credit on using the two man to his advantage. This kind of Coach is bad for the game though.

Is this the same coach teaching his kids to bean the BR going to first?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

Is this the same coach teaching his kids to bean the BR going to first?

If the BR is clearly out of the running lane, I see no problem with F2 plunking him as long as the defense is prepared for the umpire to not call anything.

[3appleshigh]

Why on earth would the umpire not call anything? It is clear interference, I cannot think of a way the catcher could hit the runner with the ball and that throw not be catchable by the firstbaseman. Oh wait I lie, if the throw was low I could see it happen. Any other way??

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

Why on earth would the umpire not call anything? It is clear interference, I cannot think of a way the catcher could hit the runner with the ball and that throw not be catchable by the firstbaseman. Oh wait I lie, if the throw was low I could see it happen. Any other way??

You're assuming umpires are all competent. I've seen clear cut interference not called.....for whatever reason.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

I know a coach/ump, that has taught his kids, with a runner on 2nd to bunt on the first baseline, real close, also on the pitch r2 is stealing, they hit the cutout at third base and turn for home there, missing third by 3-4 feet, and easily scoring even if they get the BR @ 1st. His theory is there is no one there to see the touch/no touch of third. Very sneeky, obnoxious and a poor sport, but I gotta give him credit on using the two man to his advantage. This kind of Coach is bad for the game though.

This is nothing new. And it has gotten runners and coaches ejected, too.

[3appleshigh]

out of curiousity, I can see ejecting the coach, but the runner seems harsh depending on the circumstances, but In this instance no umpire in the 2 man system is able to see the Runner touch or not. I see it more likely causing the ejection of the opposite teams coach, and starting a foofaraw that simply degrades the game into Craptown. Or are you making a call on the touch or lack there of without actually seeing the infraction??

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

out of curiousity, I can see ejecting the coach, but the runner seems harsh depending on the circumstances, but In this instance no umpire in the 2 man system is able to see the Runner touch or not. I see it more likely causing the ejection of the opposite teams coach, and starting a foofaraw that simply degrades the game into Craptown. Or are you making a call on the touch or lack there of without actually seeing the infraction??

One doesn't actually have to SEE anything. If the defensive coach is screaming and it seems like R2 arrived way early, we all know what happened.

I am going to use whatever evidence I have to ensure the game is fair.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

One doesn't actually have to SEE anything. If the defensive coach is screaming and it seems like R2 arrived way early, we all know what happened.

I am going to use whatever evidence I have to ensure the game is fair.

I usually agree with most everything you post, but this is bogus. Using this logic, if R1 gets picked off and his coach is screaming "Balk," do you call a balk without having seen it?
If not, what's the difference?

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

out of curiousity, I can see ejecting the coach, but the runner seems harsh depending on the circumstances, but In this instance no umpire in the 2 man system is able to see the Runner touch or not. I see it more likely causing the ejection of the opposite teams coach, and starting a foofaraw that simply degrades the game into Craptown. Or are you making a call on the touch or lack there of without actually seeing the infraction??

For my information, what is a foofaraw? I understand it in context, but what is it in actuality?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Blue37

For my information, what is a foofaraw? I understand it in context, but what is it in actuality?

www.thefreedictionary.com/foofaraw