2-Man crew loophole?

[3appleshigh]

Why on earth would the umpire not call anything? It is clear interference, I cannot think of a way the catcher could hit the runner with the ball and that throw not be catchable by the firstbaseman. Oh wait I lie, if the throw was low I could see it happen. Any other way??

[3appleshigh]

out of curiousity, I can see ejecting the coach, but the runner seems harsh depending on the circumstances, but In this instance no umpire in the 2 man system is able to see the Runner touch or not. I see it more likely causing the ejection of the opposite teams coach, and starting a foofaraw that simply degrades the game into Craptown. Or are you making a call on the touch or lack there of without actually seeing the infraction??

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

Why on earth would the umpire not call anything? It is clear interference, I cannot think of a way the catcher could hit the runner with the ball and that throw not be catchable by the firstbaseman. Oh wait I lie, if the throw was low I could see it happen. Any other way??

You're assuming umpires are all competent. I've seen clear cut interference not called.....for whatever reason.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

out of curiousity, I can see ejecting the coach, but the runner seems harsh depending on the circumstances, but In this instance no umpire in the 2 man system is able to see the Runner touch or not. I see it more likely causing the ejection of the opposite teams coach, and starting a foofaraw that simply degrades the game into Craptown. Or are you making a call on the touch or lack there of without actually seeing the infraction??

One doesn't actually have to SEE anything. If the defensive coach is screaming and it seems like R2 arrived way early, we all know what happened.

I am going to use whatever evidence I have to ensure the game is fair.

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

out of curiousity, I can see ejecting the coach, but the runner seems harsh depending on the circumstances, but In this instance no umpire in the 2 man system is able to see the Runner touch or not. I see it more likely causing the ejection of the opposite teams coach, and starting a foofaraw that simply degrades the game into Craptown. Or are you making a call on the touch or lack there of without actually seeing the infraction??

For my information, what is a foofaraw? I understand it in context, but what is it in actuality?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Blue37

For my information, what is a foofaraw? I understand it in context, but what is it in actuality?

www.thefreedictionary.com/foofaraw

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

One doesn't actually have to SEE anything. If the defensive coach is screaming and it seems like R2 arrived way early, we all know what happened.

I am going to use whatever evidence I have to ensure the game is fair.

I usually agree with most everything you post, but this is bogus. Using this logic, if R1 gets picked off and his coach is screaming "Balk," do you call a balk without having seen it?
If not, what's the difference?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

I usually agree with most everything you post, but this is bogus. Using this logic, if R1 gets picked off and his coach is screaming "Balk," do you call a balk without having seen it?
If not, what's the difference?

How many times do you hear a hit-by-pitch rather than see the ball strike the batter?

Look, there's a difference between this and a balk. Therre are umpires WATCHING the pitcher NOT balk.

If R2 shorts the corner at third and the defensive coach screams about it, it's not likely that he's lying about it. If R2 gets to the plate a few seconds before an Olympic sprinter does, there's evidence that something isn't quite right.

I'm not saying that I'd want to do this, but unless there's someone in the stands I can trust (say, another umpire....or my wife) watching, there's little else one can do.

I will say I am aware of this situation now and I will take a glance over if I get that bunt down the line if at all possible.

[soundedlikeastrike]

"His theory is there is no one there to see the touch/no touch of third".

This should read: his theory is that no "defensive player" is gonna see.

As PU you will see this, or should IMO. The odds of a foul no foul, or even a running lane violation taking your entire attention away from you next responsibility R2, is pretty remote IMO. PU certainly won't be following the BR up the line in this case, as he/she knows their responsibilities for R2.
Ya gotta be ready for a second play on R2 at 3B also, why wouldn't ya be checking him?

I've seen this play, and was truley amazed no one (defense) saw it?
What exactly should F5 and 6 be doing on this play? They should be watching for a return throw to 3B or at the very least watching to holler if R2 heads for home. F5, was no kidding, half way to the mound, watching, F6 was standing on 2B watching. I never paid my guys to spectate.

If by some fluke PU doesn't see it, and the D appeals, well, make a budget next year for a 3 man crew, safe.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by soundedlikeastrike

"His theory is there is no one there to see the touch/no touch of third".

This should read: his theory is that no "defensive player" is gonna see.

As PU you will see this, or should IMO. The odds of a foul no foul, or even a running lane violation taking your entire attention away from you next responsibility R2, is pretty remote IMO. PU certainly won't be following the BR up the line in this case, as he/she knows their responsibilities for R2.
Ya gotta be ready for a second play on R2 at 3B also, why wouldn't ya be checking him?

I've seen this play, and was truley amazed no one (defense) saw it?
What exactly should F5 and 6 be doing on this play? They should be watching for a return throw to 3B or at the very least watching to holler if R2 heads for home. F5, was no kidding, half way to the mound, watching, F6 was standing on 2B watching. I never paid my guys to spectate.

If by some fluke PU doesn't see it, and the D appeals, well, make a budget next year for a 3 man crew, safe.

R2 is my next responsibility at the plate, but on a return throw, the BU is making that call.

[3appleshigh]

This play is actually the biggest loophole in the 2 man, in a proper 2 man, the umps will NOT see this. PERIOD. Base ump is sliding to first, with his back to the play, and the Plate guy has fair/foul. the infraction should be missed by both ump if they are doing thier job. That is why this guy does it. He will even do it when the Other team has the 3rd base dugout.

Sorry Rut, I think you have to Call this safe, and explain the problem with the two man system. But to make a call you never saw, what are you going to say in the arguement with the coach? He knows you didn't see it, because HE was watching you.

It is unsportsmanlike, and I can even see you finding a way to eject this jerky coach, but to give an out when you haven't seen it, thats tough.