Tee, I see you deleted another thread...

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

WOBW responding to anything TEE may delete. Why bother?

I rather pretend the unholy trinity reads all those comments we made about them and ignored our requests and continued to insult each other from one website to another and then some in some personal attempt to look stupid. I also wish they would go back and delete all that bs they left on McGriffs. Noticer of stuff, obvious, PWL, etc. Oh, too late.

I sure hope you aren't referring to me, as I do not post on McGriffs. If you see SanDiegoSteve over there, it is someone else taking advantage of being able to name yourself whatever you want over there.

[Dave Hensley]

FWIW, I agree with Rich that the "delete thread" feature on this board is a weakness, more like a bug than a feature to me.

Individuals should certainly be free to delete their own posts, but they should NOT be free to delete anybody else's posts, just because they happened to start the thread with the first post.

I would be interested in reading a rationale that justifies this board feature/bug.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

FWIW, I agree with Rich that the "delete thread" feature on this board is a weakness, more like a bug than a feature to me.

Individuals should certainly be free to delete their own posts, but they should NOT be free to delete anybody else's posts, just because they happened to start the thread with the first post.

I would be interested in reading a rationale that justifies this board feature/bug.

You, know, I can understand and accept your thoughts on this. (And without linking you in an accusatory manner to another poster who agrees with you and is "involved.")

You could be right, it might be an unintended consequence of the delete feature. None-the-less, I still believe one who starts a thread should have the ability to end it.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by GarthB

You, know, I can understand and accept your thoughts on this. (And without linking you in an accusatory manner to another poster who agrees with you and is "involved.")

You could be right, it might be an unintended consequence of the delete feature. None-the-less, I still believe one who starts a thread should have the ability to end it.

Here's where I'm coming from. Let's say Lieutenant Dan or littleboyblue posts an umpiring 101 question such as "what defines an umpire?" Let's say you or I or anybody else resists the temptation to make fun of him, and instead takes the time to type up and post a thoughtful, detailed response, with rule citations from section 9.00 and everything.

My answer does not belong to Lieutenant Dan; it belongs to me. And it belongs to every reader of the board, as long as I want my words to stay there. If Lieutenant Dan in a fit of pique or embarrassment or whatever decides to delete his post, he should be entitled to do that, but if deleting his post automatically wipes out MY post, made in good faith and intended not only as a reply to Lieutenant Dan but also as sharing the benefit of my experience with any other readers out there, that's gonna piss me off, legitimately, and that is a BUG, not a feature of the board software.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

Here's where I'm coming from. Let's say Lieutenant Dan or littleboyblue posts an umpiring 101 question such as "what defines an umpire?" Let's say you or I or anybody else resists the temptation to make fun of him, and instead takes the time to type up and post a thoughtful, detailed response, with rule citations from section 9.00 and everything.

My answer does not belong to Lieutenant Dan; it belongs to me. And it belongs to every reader of the board, as long as I want my words to stay there. If Lieutenant Dan in a fit of pique or embarrassment or whatever decides to delete his post, he should be entitled to do that, but if deleting his post automatically wipes out MY post, made in good faith and intended not only as a reply to Lieutenant Dan but also as sharing the benefit of my experience with any other readers out there, that's gonna piss me off, legitimately, and that is a BUG, not a feature of the board software.

However, since, as you say, he is "entitled" to delete his thread starting post for whatever reason, he should be entitled to delete it completely. When one "quotes" his post, it is then contained in their post. The only way he can delete his post completely, is to delete the thread.

Again, I can accept that this is an unintended consequence of the the delete feature, but I don't have a problem with it.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by GarthB

However, since, as you say, he is "entitled" to delete his thread starting post for whatever reason, he should be entitled to delete it completely. When one "quotes" his post, it is then contained in their post. The only way he can delete his post completely, is to delete the thread.

Again, I can accept that this is an unintended consequence of the the delete feature, but I don't have a problem with it.

Being quoted is one of the risks of hitting the SEND button in the first place. There is a huge difference between being QUOTED and being CENSORED. Being able to delete your own post doesn't fully mitigate the risk that you might still be quoted, but being able to delete an entire thread effectively censors everyone else who participated in the thread, and that ain't right.

[UmpJM]

Hmmm,

I find myself largely on the same side of this particular question as Rich Fronheiser and Dave Hensley.

I do not think an individual should have the ability to delete what someone else has posted (other than someone acting at the direction of the owner's of the site), even if he was the originator of the thread. I would guess that the fact that it is possible to do so is simply a function of the structure of the "database" used to store the contents of these forums, rather than an intended feature or any defect in the code which manages the site.

Ultimately, the value of this forum is determined by the sum of what is posted here.

There are some who post here, regularly and frequently, who contribute nothing of any value to the forum. To me, that's kind of annoying because it creates "noise" that is tedious to wade through and makes it more difficult to find the material that is of value.

There are some who post here who frequently post incorrect information and almost never post anything of value. In my opinion, those individuals actually detract from the value of the forum and are destructive of its purpose.

There are others who consistently provide good information and insight in their posts and share their extensive experience for the benefit of others.

When someone deletes a thread that others have posted to, it is often the case that useful information gets deleted along with some drivel. It also creates "revisionist history" which limits the acountability of those who post garbage as well as the credit to those who post useful information or thoughts.

Personally, I don't delete my own posts or the posts of others who post on a thread I initiate. I find those that do overly self-centered. I am somewhat reluctant to post to a thread when the initiator has demonstrated a tendency to delete his threads. If I choose to, it is with the understanding that it may disappear. Such is life.

JM

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

However, since, as you say, he is "entitled" to delete his thread starting post for whatever reason, he should be entitled to delete it completely. When one "quotes" his post, it is then contained in their post. The only way he can delete his post completely, is to delete the thread.

Again, I can accept that this is an unintended consequence of the the delete feature, but I don't have a problem with it.

Why should a thread starter have this privilege when someone who replies doesn't?

I'm poster number 3 in a thread and I quote the second poster in the thread. Poster number 2 has no ability to make anything but his post go away -- not the quote or the reply. Why would you argue that the thread starter should have special privileges?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Why should a thread starter have this privilege when someone who replies doesn't?

The answer: exactly for that reason. Why should a person who is moderator have special privileges? Also, for exactly that reason.

Quite often people do things beacuase they can, or because of who they are. Surely you're familiar with that.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

The same thing can be said for others. I am sure this thread will be deleted eventually, for that is a common theme when people cannot control their antics or misbehavior. I have been guilty of both. Lah, me. So have you and PWL and Bigump56 and Tim C and the rest of my starting line-up. So have all the imposters that are out there remaining on the bench unnoticed.

Steve take some responsibility. I know I have some dumb post on this website addressed to you and others that I wish I could go back and delete. Again it isn't worth my time looking for them and evaluating them now, but I know that they are still here.

Just what in the hell are you babbling about here? Responsibility for what, exactly? You mentioned McGriff's, which is a troll site that I do not visit. I have been on there exactly twice in my life. Once, to post a notice to whoever keeps posting there pretending to be me to stop doing it, and another time as Sarah Evans in response to PWL writing as Jim Evans over there. I did not post any of the garbage over there. The one time I read the sick crap on that site was more than enough for me to know better than to go there.

As far as what is written on this site, sure, I've made many boneheaded posts, some of which I deleted, some of which Mick or Bob has deleted, and some of which live on in archive infamy. So what is your point? I still don't get it. I don't "wish" to go back to do anything. Any post I left on this board is just fine with me, as-is.

[canadaump6]

This thread is hilarious.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by SAump

I think I'm possibly reporting a medical breakthrough, but I deleted a lot of my OWN unnecessary posts.

It feels good, temporarily. Doesn't change what's been said very much.

The more and more I read, the more I begin to think......













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