Tee, I see you deleted another thread...

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Why should a thread starter have this privilege when someone who replies doesn't?

The answer: exactly for that reason. Why should a person who is moderator have special privileges? Also, for exactly that reason.

Quite often people do things beacuase they can, or because of who they are. Surely you're familiar with that.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

The answer: exactly for that reason. Why should a person who is moderator have special privileges? Also, for exactly that reason.

Quite often people do things beacuase they can, or because of who they are. Surely you're familiar with that.

Well, that's fine. But I will not post in a thread started by a notorious thread-deleter.

Actually I may just post a canned post warning others that Tee deletes all threads he starts so people don't waste their time.

[UmpJM]

Hmmm,

I find myself largely on the same side of this particular question as Rich Fronheiser and Dave Hensley.

I do not think an individual should have the ability to delete what someone else has posted (other than someone acting at the direction of the owner's of the site), even if he was the originator of the thread. I would guess that the fact that it is possible to do so is simply a function of the structure of the "database" used to store the contents of these forums, rather than an intended feature or any defect in the code which manages the site.

Ultimately, the value of this forum is determined by the sum of what is posted here.

There are some who post here, regularly and frequently, who contribute nothing of any value to the forum. To me, that's kind of annoying because it creates "noise" that is tedious to wade through and makes it more difficult to find the material that is of value.

There are some who post here who frequently post incorrect information and almost never post anything of value. In my opinion, those individuals actually detract from the value of the forum and are destructive of its purpose.

There are others who consistently provide good information and insight in their posts and share their extensive experience for the benefit of others.

When someone deletes a thread that others have posted to, it is often the case that useful information gets deleted along with some drivel. It also creates "revisionist history" which limits the acountability of those who post garbage as well as the credit to those who post useful information or thoughts.

Personally, I don't delete my own posts or the posts of others who post on a thread I initiate. I find those that do overly self-centered. I am somewhat reluctant to post to a thread when the initiator has demonstrated a tendency to delete his threads. If I choose to, it is with the understanding that it may disappear. Such is life.

JM

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Well, that's fine. But I will not post in a thread started by a notorious thread-deleter.

That'll show him. Boy, I bet he'll be sorry.

(Notorious thread-deleter...sounds like a line from the old Seifeld series.)

Actually I may just post a canned post warning others that Tee deletes all threads he starts so people don't waste their time.

That would be a lie. Tee doesn't delete all threads. You could write that there is a risk that he might delete a thread if you were at all interested in being accurate.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Hmmm,

I find myself largely on the same side of this particular question as Rich Fronheiser and Dave Hensley.

I do not think an individual should have the ability to delete what someone else has posted (other than someone acting at the direction of the owner's of the site), even if he was the originator of the thread. I would guess that the fact that it is possible to do so is simply a function of the structure of the "database" used to store the contents of these forums, rather than an intended feature or any defect in the code which manages the site.

Ultimately, the value of this forum is determined by the sum of what is posted here.

There are some who post here, regularly and frequently, who contribute nothing of any value to the forum. To me, that's kind of annoying because it creates "noise" that is tedious to wade through and makes it more difficult to find the material that is of value.

There are some who post here who frequently post incorrect information and almost never post anything of value. In my opinion, those individuals actually detract from the value of the forum and are destructive of its purpose.

There are others who consistently provide good information and insight in their posts and share their extensive experience for the benefit of others.

When someone deletes a thread that others have posted to, it is often the case that useful information gets deleted along with some drivel. It also creates "revisionist history" which limits the acountability of those who post garbage as well as the credit to those who post useful information or thoughts.

Personally, I don't delete my own posts or the posts of others who post on a thread I initiate. I find those that do overly self-centered. I am somewhat reluctant to post to a thread when the initiator has demonstrated a tendency to delete his threads. If I choose to, it is with the understanding that it may disappear. Such is life.

JM

You know, I just can't get excited about this. I understand Mr. Hensley's point. I understand Tee's. I don't understand Rich's over the top emotional issue that would drive him to post a "warning" in Tee's threads, however.

I don't care. I really don't. None of what has been posted here and subsequently deleted was Rosetta Stone material as far as I can recall. If anyone feels that what they wrote is some great truth that needs to be preserved, they can always start their own thread.

What's the big deal?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

You know, I just can't get excited about this. I understand Mr. Hensley's point. I understand Tee's. I don't understand Rich's over the top emotional issue that would drive him to post a "warning" in Tee's threads, however.

I don't care. I really don't. None of what has been posted here and subsequently deleted was Rosetta Stone material as far as I can recall. If anyone feels that what they wrote is some great truth that needs to be preserved, they can always start their own thread.

What's the big deal?

The fact that a thread starter essentially owns everything I write on this board.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That would be a lie. Tee doesn't delete all threads. You could write that there is a risk that he might delete a thread if you were at all interested in being accurate.

While statements containing "always" or "never" are rarely accurate, in this particular case, Rich's statement at least can't be disproven by scanning the active threads on the board. There are no active threads started by Tee. Since we know that Tee has started one or more threads, the fact there are none available for reading does in fact support Rich's statement that Tee deletes all his threads. At least the statement can't be disproven in the most logical, readily confirmable manner available to us.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

While statements containing "always" or "never" are rarely accurate, in this particular case, Rich's statement at least can't be disproven by scanning the active threads on the board. There are no active threads started by Tee. Since we know that Tee has started one or more threads, the fact there are none available for reading does in fact support Rich's statement that Tee deletes all his threads. At least the statement can't be disproven in the most logical, readily confirmable manner available to us.

I didn't know that there were conditions placed on Rich's statement...I didn't see any. Anyway, I found a thread by Tee starte in January of this year, but I guess that doesn't count since it doesn't meet the added on conditions.

Oh, well...

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

The fact that a thread starter essentially owns everything I write on this board.

Again, if anything you ever write is that important, start a thread. This isn't that hard. Maybe you're having a hard time with it because you can't control it? Contact Carl, maybe he'll make you a moderator.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I didn't know that there were conditions placed on Rich's statement...I didn't see any. Anyway, I found a thread by Tee starte in January of this year, but I guess that doesn't count since it doesn't meet the added on conditions.

Oh, well...

Then demonstrating that a thread started by Tee still exists on the board certainly disproves the absolute statement Rich made. But how did you find it? I scrolled through every screen of topics available to me, and there were no topics started by Tee. Do you have to search for all posts by author?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

Then demonstrating that a thread started by Tee still exists on the board certainly disproves the absolute statement Rich made. But how did you find it? I scrolled through every screen of topics available to me, and there were no topics started by Tee. Do you have to search for all posts by author?

When I discovered, as you did, that the pages of threads available only took us back two weeks and, knowing that Tee really doesn't start that many threads, I simply did a search and found one on January 8th, I believe it was.

[ozzy6900]

Guys,

Why are you getting so upset about an Internet Forum Thread? So what if you posted to it and it got deleted? You gave your opinion or answer and that's that! If the starter decides to delete it, what difference is it?

Does it affect your lives?
Apparently, it seems that many of you have no lives at all!

Will it affect the way you umpire in the future?
Hmmm, from your posts, it seems if the post that you responded to gets deleted, it deletes the information in your brains too!

Will it make any difference to your loved ones?
No, you dumb a$$es, it won't.

So stop complaining like a bunch of middle school sissies and get on with your lives!

This is my opinion, and I couldn't give a crap if someone deletes it!

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Why are you getting so upset about an Internet Forum Thread?

I can speak only for myself, but I can assure you I haven't gotten the least bit upset by this thread, or anything posted in this forum, ever.

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

So what if you posted to it and it got deleted? You gave your opinion or answer and that's that! If the starter decides to delete it, what difference is it?

Well, this has been asked and answered, but I'll repeat it and I'll type slower this time.

If I take the time to compose and post a thorough, researched, spelling-checked and well constructed post to any particular thread, the chances are that post will contain information that is not only relevant to the starter of the thread, but to OTHER readers, present and future. I don't know about you, but most of my posts are written with care and attention to the fact that my words will be up there for anybody and everybody to read. I'm OK with that; I think those considerations make for higher quality posts, and a higher level of discussion throughout the board.

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Will it affect the way you umpire in the future?
Hmmm, from your posts, it seems if the post that you responded to gets deleted, it deletes the information in your brains too!

No, it won't affect the way I umpire, but it very well may affect the way Lieutenant Dan or littleboyblue or ozzyosbourne umpires in the future. Notwithstanding the cliche about leading a horse to water, if my posts are available to other readers now and in the future, there is a greater than zero chance that those words will affect the way those other readers umpire. If I have been censored by the arbitrary and capricious deletion of the thread containing my post(s) by the thread starter, then there is indeed zero chance that my words will have any affect on anybody. Then the decision becomes "what's the point of answering a post in a thread started by a notorious thread-deleter?"

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Will it make any difference to your loved ones?
No, you dumb a$$es, it won't.

So stop complaining like a bunch of middle school sissies and get on with your lives!

Sheesh, where does all this childish namecalling come from? Grow the phuck up, man.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by Tim C

This is BY FAR the most entertaining thread I have read on any umpire website.

Regards,

Oh come on, Tim,

This thread doesn't even compare with Lt. Dan's recent "I'm Done" post for pure entertainment value.

Entertainment-wise, gruberted's "running gloves" post has also always been a personal favorite of mine.

Why, your own "Whatever Happened to Class?" thread was far more entertaining than this.

Of course, the 1st and 3rd of these examples have been deleted, so it would be hard for a person to do a fair evaluation.

Now none of those posts was really about you, so maybe you didn't find them so entertaining - but I did.

JM

[LMan]

*munch munch munch*

I had a retort for this thread, but UPS just showed up at my door with my new wristbands, and I'm anxious to try them on.