boyinnblue24

[LLPA13UmpDan]

yuck...yuck...yuck...yuck.

[canadaump6]

I've never had any problems with Boyinblue. I've taken s*** from a lot of veterans over the past for no good reason, and I doubt he has done anything to deserve it either. What seems like arguing to the paranoid posters on here is actually discussing. What's wrong with coming up with an argument to a rule or idea, and then a counter argument and another counter argument? That is the way one gets to understand, rather than simply knowing.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

I've never had any problems with Boyinblue. I've taken s*** from a lot of veterans over the past for no good reason, and I doubt he has done anything to deserve it either. What seems like arguing to the paranoid posters on here is actually discussing. What's wrong with coming up with an argument to a rule or idea, and then a counter argument and another counter argument?

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion and wanting to voice it. It becomes a problem here when an extrememly young umpire asks a question and then argues against the entire message board community that the answer he recieved is incorrect.

Originally Posted by canadaump6

That is the way one gets to understand, rather than simply knowing.

I don't know if you understand how ridiculous the statement that you've just made is. Maybe you know it though.


Tim.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

What's wrong with coming up with an argument to a rule or idea, and then a counter argument and another counter argument? That is the way one gets to understand, rather than simply knowing.

Are you serious?

So, you think that if one asks a question and gets the correct answer it is then perfectly normal to argue and present a "counter" to the correct answer, get the correct answer again, argue again, get the correct answer again and then argue again?

Where hell do you come from? Oh, that's right, Canada.

God Save the Queen.

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Are you serious?

So, you think that if one asks a question and gets the correct answer it is then perfectly normal to argue and present a "counter" to the correct answer, get the correct answer again, argue again, get the correct answer again and then argue again?

Where hell do you come from? Oh, that's right, Canada.

God Save the Queen.

What I am saying is that it doesn't hurt to present your arguments, even when you know they're wrong. That helps to give one a deeper understanding of the game, verify that the arguments are correct, and understand why something is a certain way.

To be honest though I don't know what went on, but I don't think it should be taken so sensitively if someone is politely arguing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

What I am saying is that it doesn't hurt to present your arguments, even when you know they're wrong. That helps to give one a deeper understanding of the game, verify that the arguments are correct, and understand why something is a certain way.

That's ridiculous. All that does is:
1) Piss off people who have taken the time to post a correct answer and maybe look up the accompanying rules citations also.
2) Totally confuse other new officials or casual fans(example--me) reading the forum.

You'd be much better off going into more detail as to why the answers given were correct.

Arguing when you know you are wrong is just plain stoopid in a forum of this type.

[bossman72]

if you KNOW your arguments are wrong, why would you argue them? like JR said, it just confuses people and makes you look like the north end of a south bound donkey.

if you want a deeper understanding of your wrong statement, instead of stating it as fact, ask "why is this (my point/argument) wrong?" bam! there's your deeper understanding. ask more- tell less. put your incorrect statement in a form of a question instead of aruging a wrong statement as fact. arguing a wrong statement just makes you look incredibly dumb.

here's a little something to try- any time you give advice on any forum, accompany it with a rule citation, casebook citation, or interpretation. therefore, you have some substance to any argument. Some cases the rulebook doesn't cut it since it's not detailed enough, that's when pro interps and pro school training and guys with connections will fill us in (see: Tim_C, GarthB, lawump).

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bossman72

if you KNOW your arguments are wrong, why would you argue them?

From my experience as a parent and a teacher, I can tell you that that is what teens do.

However, when I was training youth umpires, including my two sons, I taught them that on the field, they were not "youth" or "youthful" umpires...they were umpires. The teen characteristics had to stay off the field...something our new young friend should learn quickly.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

What I am saying is that it doesn't hurt to present your arguments, even when you know they're wrong. That helps to give one a deeper understanding of the game, verify that the arguments are correct, and understand why something is a certain way.

Wow.

According to your stats at the time of this post:

canadaump6
Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 8

...you only have two opportunities left to have 20% of your posts make any sense at all.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Wow.

According to your stats at the time of this post:

canadaump6
Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 8

...you only have two opportunities left to have 20% of your posts make any sense at all.

He's now 0 for 11....

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

What I am saying is that it doesn't hurt to present your arguments, even when you know they're wrong.

Upon further review, I'd have to say that you do, indeed, show great future promise. As a coach.

[canablue05]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Where hell do you come from? Oh, that's right, Canada.

I will probably get accussed of spouting 'venom,' as he did on the umpire.org forum, but please do not associate his jibberish as grounds for the quality of officiating in Canada. There is a tremendous number of excellent officials in Canada, and the game of baseball is on the rise. After all we did beat the U.S in the WBC.

Canadaump6, you'll probably try to jump all over me again, but I once again find it necessary to offer the advice, "read more, post less."

Take it as you will.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by canablue05

I will probably get accussed of spouting 'venom,' as he did on the umpire.org forum, but please do not associate his jibberish as grounds for the quality of officiating in Canada. There is a tremendous number of excellent officials in Canada, and the game of baseball is on the rise. After all we did beat the U.S in the WBC.

Canadaump6, you'll probably try to jump all over me again, but I once again find it necessary to offer the advice, "read more, post less."

Take it as you will.

The remark was made half in jest. I know some good Canadian umpires...mostly from eastern Canada, though...and I know that some good recent grads from Evans' Academy are from Canada. As with any area there will be the good, the bad and the canadaump6.

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by canablue05

I will probably get accussed of spouting 'venom,' as he did on the umpire.org forum, but please do not associate his jibberish as grounds for the quality of officiating in Canada. There is a tremendous number of excellent officials in Canada, and the game of baseball is on the rise. After all we did beat the U.S in the WBC.

Canadaump6, you'll probably try to jump all over me again, but I once again find it necessary to offer the advice, "read more, post less."

Take it as you will.

What do you mean jump all over you again? I never said anything to you in the first place. YOU are the one assuming that I am a bad umpire even though you've never seen me on a ball diamond.

[Justme]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

What do you mean jump all over you again? I never said anything to you in the first place. YOU are the one assuming that I am a bad umpire even though you've never seen me on a ball diamond.

Truthfully, have you ever been on a ball diamond as an umpire?