thoughts on these types of umpires.

[mrm21711]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

I think not Steve, no matter how many years youve worked it doesnt entitle you to demand you work a certain postition. take your turn like everyone else. Sure we may not be "professional umpires" but it makes no difference. Sure, its more fun to work HP and 1st, but some people need to learn to work the other pos. like everyone else. I dont care weather its your first year or your 30th, it doesnt entitle you to boss the other umpires around and insist working a pos. or decide to not umpire. I think my UIC should start assigning who works what.

You are either 1) Lance's son he never knew he had in Pennsylvania or 2) do not have not the first clue about umpiring.

[kylejt]

Using seniority is the easy way for the assignor to place umpires. That way he doesn't make judgement calls on who actually is the best umpire for each position. Letting the umpires choose, based on seniority, is the second easiest way to do things.

Please don't equate easy with fair, correct, best or any other proper term. It's just the easiet.

I've come across only one fellow that would only do plates. I think it was more of a mobility issue (he didn't like to move), than a pomposity one. Perhaps a touch of both.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Using seniority is the easy way for the assignor to place umpires. That way he doesn't make judgement calls on who actually is the best umpire for each position. Letting the umpires choose, based on seniority, is the second easiest way to do things.

I am not only thrilled that I have never been a member of a Gestapo-like group which imparts the assignor's will as to who works which position, but I would never goosestep to that marching music.

Letting the umpires choose, based on seniority, and then alternating in each successive pairing with the same partner is the very first choice for ease in assigning.

My HS assignment secretary has way too many games to assign to have to sit around figuring which umpire should work the plate, and which one should work the bases.

[kylejt]

I was posting about post season assignments, like the op was talking about, not regular season games. Post season stuff is usually handled differently.

[LLPA13UmpDan]

I wouldnt necessarily say that the "veteran umpire" is the crew chief and he picks, who ever is HP is the crew chief is how its done. Its up to the umpires them selves (agreed upon before the game). Nobody at the feild puts us wear we work. Hope that mnakes it clearer. One of the guys usually asks who wants to do what. Kinda what happened when i stumbed into doing the plate in a district champ. 10-11 softball. Veteran umpire asked who wants to do what, He didnt have it gear, and the other guy got done from working HP that afternoon, so i was the only left to work. Vet. ump took first base. The other guy hadnt shown up to the feild until about 10 minutes before game time, so he was left with taking 3rd

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

Hope that mnakes it clearer......Veteran umpire.....He didnt have it gear.....The other guy hadnt shown up to the feild until about 10 minutes before game time

Yep, that makes it A LOT clearer for me. You can continue to live in your world, and I will stay in mine.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

I wouldnt necessarily say that the "veteran umpire" is the crew chief and he picks, who ever is HP is the crew chief is how its done. Its up to the umpires them selves (agreed upon before the game). Nobody at the feild puts us wear we work. Hope that mnakes it clearer. One of the guys usually asks who wants to do what. Kinda what happened when i stumbed into doing the plate in a district champ. 10-11 softball. Veteran umpire asked who wants to do what, He didnt have it gear, and the other guy got done from working HP that afternoon, so i was the only left to work. Vet. ump took first base. The other guy hadnt shown up to the feild until about 10 minutes before game time, so he was left with taking 3rd

I beg to differ, in our world the senior umpire is the crew chief no matter what position he is working. And if you show up without your gear, we will work with 3 umpires instead of 4. Finally, if you show up 10 minutes before one or our games (especially if we are working 3, 4 or 6 man crew) we are on the field already at the plate. If it was to be a 6 man crew, you will be facing a pi$$ed off line ump in the parking lot wanting your a$$!

[umpduck11]

Doesn't C.C. "always" have the plate ?

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I beg to differ, in our world the senior umpire is the crew chief no matter what position he is working. And if you show up without your gear, we will work with 3 umpires instead of 4. Finally, if you show up 10 minutes before one or our games (especially if we are working 3, 4 or 6 man crew) we are on the field already at the plate. If it was to be a 6 man crew, you will be facing a pi$$ed off line ump in the parking lot wanting your a$$!

The one was an older guy, called up at the last minute and didnt have it gear. (he was there in about an hour before the game like us) None of us 3 were happy that the other guy showed up that late, he showed up just as we were ready to go in the field , but the same guy also shows up late to our umpire meetings. And get this..hes a college professor! Thats other reason why i worked HP, i hadnt done a 3 man this season, so it would be easier to do it that way anyhow, since i only have to help out with 3rd.

[3appleshigh]

As a younger umpire working in a crew, your job, is to show up, shut up and learn. You should simply say yes sir, no sir, how should I do this sir. Learn the ropes. In many instances the vet will not let you work the plate because you are simply not ready, or often the teams are not ready for you. In many leagues the teams need to see the faces a few, to a number of times before they will respect the ump. Keeping you out of harms way and letting you gain respect is a positive for you. Learn your role. You obviously don't know it, because you think you have opinions that matter and you have not worked enough to have opinions. Why Do I know because I have been on this board for 4 yrs and this year began to have opinions, and then only a few here and there. LEARN FIRST then PRACTICE. Become a sponge. and work whatever. I expect to work any position when I show up. I expect if I'm the senior guy to dictate what I will work, or what my partner will work in some instances, however on the flip side I know if I'm the lower seniority, I will Rub the baseballs, and ask "What do you want me to work today?"

Oh and P.S. Crew Chief no matter what is the most senior or Best umpire out there, you will know based on the organization which one is the case. Field position has nothing to do with it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

Thats other reason why i worked HP, i hadnt done a 3 man this season, so it would be easier to do it that way anyhow, since i only have to help out with 3rd.

I don't think that's true. But, I do agree that putting the rookie on the plate is the best thing to do in three-man.

[mrm21711]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

whoever is HP is the crew chief is how its done. stumbed into doing the plate in a district champ. 10-11 softball. Veteran umpire asked who wants to do what, He didnt have it gear, and the other guy got done from working HP that afternoon, so i was the only left to work. Vet. ump took first base. The other guy hadnt shown up to the feild until about 10 minutes before game time, so he was left with taking 3rd

1) 10-11 year old Softball?

2) "Veteran" umpire doesnt have gear?

[cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

I wouldnt necessarily say that the "veteran umpire" is the crew chief and he picks, who ever is HP is the crew chief is how its done. Its up to the umpires them selves (agreed upon before the game). Nobody at the feild puts us wear we work. Hope that mnakes it clearer. One of the guys usually asks who wants to do what. Kinda what happened when i stumbed into doing the plate in a district champ. 10-11 softball. Veteran umpire asked who wants to do what, He didnt have it gear, and the other guy got done from working HP that afternoon, so i was the only left to work. Vet. ump took first base. The other guy hadnt shown up to the feild until about 10 minutes before game time, so he was left with taking 3rd

Get A Clue.
PU is the UIC -- FOR THAT GAME.
The Crew Chief may, or may not be the UIC.
Where I'm from [and probably everyone else here, too] the guy who is most senior [rating or longevity] is the crew chief.
Guess what: in your example, the "vet" WAS the crew chief: showed up w/o gear [ 'cause he'd decided before leaving home one of the other guys was taking the dish]; moderated the discussion of "who wants what"; TOOK 1st base.

[bluezebra]

Much of it is EGO. I put together crews for exhibition games for three Silver Bullets (the women's team) games, and the Korean National team that was touring before the 1996 Olympics. I took the "rocking chair" (3B) for all four games. Couldn't care less about working the plate. And I had the most experience on each of the crews.

Bob

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Much of it is EGO. I put together crews for exhibition games for three Silver Bullets (the women's team) games, and the Korean National team that was touring before the 1996 Olympics. I took the "rocking chair" (3B) for all four games. Couldn't care less about working the plate. And I had the most experience on each of the crews.

Bob

I assign a 44-team league. During the regular season, I don't specify plate/bases. As if by magic, one umpire works the plate and another works the bases.

During the playoffs, I assign every position. Our playoffs are one and out and it's an adult league. I know which umpires I can put on the plate and I also want to spread the wealth. This last season we had 8 games in the championship portion of our season and I assigned 8 different plate umpires. I was not one of them.