MLB foul ball overturned.....

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Could you describe the situation?

Peace

From MLB.com............


"Then came the controversy. David Wright, who was hitless in his last 25 at-bats against lefties entering Monday's game, hit a chopper down the third-base line that third-base umpire Randy Marsh initially called foul. After a conference among the umpires, home-plate umpire Angel Hernandez signaled that the ball had struck the bag and was fair. Beltran scored, Wright had broken his streak with the single and, after Phillies manager Charlie Manuel was ejected for arguing, the Mets were on their way to another win."


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Well they got it right, right?

I thought this is what everyone wants. They have to get it right under all circumstances.

Is this not what Windy and many others have suggested is the right thing to do?

Peace

[BigUmp56]

I don't know if there were other runners, Jeff. If there weren't I would agree that they did the right thing. If there were I'm not so sure there's a precedent for reversing the call of "foul" in this instance. It may very well have deprived the defense of an opportunity to get an out.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

I do not know how you can overturn a foul ball call. The defense could have still made an out and the runners could have advanced to more bases.

Oh well. They got it right I guess.

Peace

[socalblue1]

IMO the only thing the crew coud/should do (CSFP) would be to treat it like umpire int. Put BR on 1B and advance any runner forced.

Of course it IS MLB and Angel is involved ....

[mcrowder]

I saw this play. To me, this was a HORRIBLE precedent to set.

There WERE runners on the bases. The ball hit the back left corner of third base and bounded diagonally into foul ground. It was rather obvious, even before replay, but U3 gave some sort of half dead-ball, half SAFE!, with a little Incomplete Pass thrown in signal.

Based on where the ball bounded, there was no chance for an initial out - but who knows what else might have happened. To me, this was an obviously unringable bell, which was nonetheless unrung. Awful, just awful. Can't believe Manuel didn't protest, as I think it's pretty clear in OBR that you can't unring the foul bell unless it's a ball hit out of play (HR, GRD).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

I saw this play. To me, this was a HORRIBLE precedent to set.

There WERE runners on the bases. The ball hit the back left corner of third base and bounded diagonally into foul ground. It was rather obvious, even before replay, but U3 gave some sort of half dead-ball, half SAFE!, with a little Incomplete Pass thrown in signal.

This is why I hate the "Get it Right" community that tells us that we should always get together on these kinds of plays. To me this is the ultimate why this philosophy has a lot of holes. Even if runners were not on base, you take away the chance for other things to happen. If you call a dead ball, it should be a dead ball. For the record, NF rules makes it clear if you have a foul ball called by the umpire (when the ball hits the ground), you still have a foul ball. If this happen in a HS game under NF rules, they would have broken the rules. I have no idea at this time if NF or NCAA specifically addresses this.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well they got it right, right?


Peace

Not from the replays I've seen.

Angel F-up again.

[LakeErieUmp]

I could have sworn that I have read on this boarh if an umpire (1) has gone to a pro school and (2) is union he is infallible.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp

I could have sworn that I have read on this boarh if an umpire (1) has gone to a pro school and (2) is union he is infallible.

You don't even need to make it to MiLB to be infallable. Just go to a pro school or even attend the Arizona Classic and the sun rises and sets in your calls.


Tim.

[LakeErieUmp]

OR be a coach sitting at the far end of the first base dugout and you can make every call at both third base and the plate!

[nickrego]

Some of our mistakes are correctable, but I think a Foul Ball call must stand, unless it is changed to a Home Run.

The reason is that there is no reasonable way to determine what would have happened. I think that is why it is specifically spelled out in some rule sets that a Foul call can not be changed, unless it is for a Home Run.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

What's stopping you? I figured something like that would be right up your alley.

I'd love to attend the AZ Classic. My vacation time is limited to use with my wife and sons for the most part. In the not too distant future I'll probably take the time to do it though. Maybe we can share a room.



Tim.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Not from the replays I've seen.

Angel F-up again.

Garth, it's OBVIOUS that the ball hit the bag. From any angle, but especially from the home plate angle.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I still must be too old school for my own good:

1) stick with the foul call. No un-ringing bells, ding-dong. I'm with Rut on this one.

2) No, now is not the time, nor will there ever be the right time for replay in baseball.