Foul Ball (not tips) Concussions

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kaliix

Jeff, you know I really try to believe that you are not as dumb as you act sometimes and then you come back with this.

For the record, I did not call you any names in my previous post. I asked you a question. That question has now been answered and I am now absolutely calling you an idiot. At least now you can be offended for the right reason. It's rare that I "name call" but I am making an exception in this case.

You are either a troll or an idiot incapable of having a legitimate argument based on facts.

If this is not name calling, I do not know what is.

Originally Posted by Kaliix

I already stated in a previous post that HSM vs traditional masks are about equal when it comes to protecting against a concussion. The two firms hired by the Giants organization say as much. I could get into the minutiae of looking at the test data but I trust that with the amount of money a major league club has both at stake and to spend, that the two independent tests, which both reach the same conclusion, are accurate.

Are you saying that the entire medical community has signed off on these studies? Are you telling me that everyone from the medical profession agrees with the methodology of the studies and there are no further studies that need to be done? These are simple questions, not understanding why these are hard to understand. There are medical professionals that cannot agree on the effects of Steroids and the heath effects on the body, now you want me to believe that a club doing a study changes the amount of disagreement out there on causes and solutions of concussions?

Originally Posted by Kaliix

It should have been obvious that we are talking about HSM being safer because they cover the entire head. Bats and ball can and have hit the head in places that traditional masks do not protect. Additionally, I remember someone relaying a story about a traditional mask spinning around after a foul ball and giving a cut requiring four stitches. Granted a somewhat freak occurence, but it happened.

Concussions are more than likely come about when your brain hits the walls of your skull during some kind of head trauma. This is why you see football players with concussions a lot mainly because they are hit with such force, there body is jolted. Many times they come about in football not as a result of the actual hitting of the head, but the way their brain moves forcefully in different directions.

Originally Posted by Kaliix

A HSM protects more of the head, period. It is safer for that reason. Do or don't wear one, I don't give a flying farg, but get you facts straight! Jeez!

More to the point, we need to be aware that whatever mask we wear (as they both protect equally well in this case), we can be subject to a concussion from multiple blows. That was my original point.

So what you are telling me know is you are a medical doctor or a physicist and that is the conclusion all doctors will come to only because the head is protected. Aren't football players heads completely covered too? Why was Troy Aikman getting concussions every other week at the end of his career? You are talking about facts, but simply having your head covered does not elude you from having a concussion. I was only asking a question so to get clarification if all these factors have been explored. I am also sure all helmets are not made the same. I know all football all helmets are not the same and there are no conclusive evidence as to which helmet works and why. If that was the case I am sure only certain kinds of helmets would be made legal and others would be considered illegal. As a typical internet umpire you took my comments and ran with them. I would ask any doctor the very same questions I am asking you. To me you are WAAAAAAYYYYYYY too emotional about this issue. You claim their are facts and I bet if I went to a neurologist or some kind of brain specialist they might not be so quick to say what you are saying here about helmet safety.

Dude, wear the damn helmet. I am sure you are not going to change the minds of many people.

Peace