Dropped third strike

[mrm21711]

Originally Posted by GarthB

If you've followed the posting history of LLDan, you'd see that Tee might also be considered showing great restraint.

Please see the following threads for an example of what Garth is referring to.

"First Game Experience"

"Funny Question"

Clearly Tee has indeed "turned a new leaf."

[Tim C]

"My advice to Tee:

"Answer his question if you want to.

"Ignore his question if you like.

"Pretend not to be a jerk in the process."

Why would I take advice from the peanut gallery?

Joe, don't get me started. Go back to your small diamond game . . . they are calling for a baby sitter.

Regards,

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Tim C

"My advice to Tee:

"Answer his question if you want to.

"Ignore his question if you like.

"Pretend not to be a jerk in the process."

Why would I take advice from the peanut gallery?

Joe, don't get me started. Go back to your small diamond game . . . they are calling for a baby sitter.

Regards,

Good idea, I will.

I LOVE this game!

Why I am going to seriously try to understand you, I do not know...here is a try.

I think it is a bad idea to be a jerk to a young umpire so, you think that means I only umpire on a "small diamond"? That makes no sense.

A lot of us guys that umpire on "big diamonds" like to be friendly and help out young guys. Furthermore, I like to not be a jerk to young guys whether they are umpires or not. I am so sorry that I have let you down, Tee.

Joe

[Tim C]

Joe;

I just hate dealing with the uninitiated:

"A Slam" is unsuccessful if you ignore it . . . good for you.

However, I just think you're dumb and didn't recognize it.

Regards,

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Joe;

I just hate dealing with the uninitiated:

"A Slam" is unsuccessful if you ignore it . . . good for you.

However, I just think you're dumb and didn't recognize it.

Regards,

If by "uninitiated", you must mean someone that sees you for the pompous jerk that you are. Yep...that's me! Uninitiated!

Joe

[Tim C]

Joe:

All you have done is an an additional adjective to my resume . . . it is strange no one, before you, has called be pompous . . .

Add that to condesending, etc. and I am a league leader.

Joe, you can't come close to being a threat . . . you're obviously a small diamond baby sitter.

Regards,

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Joe:

All you have done is an an additional adjective to my resume . . . it is strange no one, before you, has called be pompous . . .

Add that to condesending, etc. and I am a league leader.

Joe, you can't come close to being a threat . . . you're obviously a small diamond baby sitter.

Regards,

A "threat"? What the heck are you talking about? Too much Jim Beam tonight?

[LMan]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

If by "uninitiated", you must mean someone that sees you for the pompous jerk that you are. Yep...that's me! Uninitiated!

Joe

I note that you didn't explain the 'mechanic' to our buddy either...too busy getting your skirt in knots over Tee?

(and posting the Eddings clip doesn't count....Dan won't have any idea what went wrong).

Tee has never shyed away from accusations of 'pompous' and 'arrogant'. They are a badge of honor.

Why waste bandwidth on something everyone already knows? Why not spend your time mentoring this other lost soul?

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by LMan

I note that you didn't explain the 'mechanic' to our buddy either...too busy getting your skirt in knots over Tee?

(and posting the Eddings clip doesn't count....Dan won't have any idea what went wrong).

Tee has never shyed away from accusations of 'pompous' and 'arrogant'. They are a badge of honor.

Why waste bandwidth on something everyone already knows? Why not spend your time mentoring this other lost soul?

You're right. I should have answered Young Dan's question. The JIC made me angry the way he jumped on the kid.

SDSteve has done a fine job answering the question.

Joe

[Carbide Keyman]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Good idea, I will.

I LOVE this game!

Why I am going to seriously try to understand you, I do not know...here is a try.

I think it is a bad idea to be a jerk to a young umpire so, you think that means I only umpire on a "small diamond"? That makes no sense.

A lot of us guys that umpire on "big diamonds" like to be friendly and help out young guys. Furthermore, I like to not be a jerk to yung guys whether they are umpires or not. I am so sorry that I have let you down, Tee.

Joe

Some fine English there, Shakespeare.

[bluezebra]

When all you paragons of virtue are done sniping at each other, please note, there is no such thing as a dropped third strike. The proper terminology is, a third strike not caught.

Also, rule books don't include mechanics. There is no specific mechanic for a third strike not caught.

1..The B/R attempts to reach 1B.

2..The catcher retrieves the ball, and throws to 1B in an attempt to retire the B/R.

3..The BU makes a 'safe' or 'out' call.

Fairly simple.

Bob

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

When all you paragons of virtue are done sniping at each other, please note, there is no such thing as a dropped third strike. The proper terminology is, a third strike not caught.

Also, rule books don't include mechanics. There is no specific mechanic for a third strike not caught.

1..The B/R attempts to reach 1B.

2..The catcher retrieves the ball, and throws to 1B in an attempt to retire the B/R.

3..The BU makes a 'safe' or 'out' call.

Fairly simple.

Bob

Okay,

Dan asked a legitimate question, one for which the answer lies not in the rule book.

He did not ask "what is an uncaught 3rd strike," but rather asked for the proper mechanic.

He was then told by someone that there is no such thing in Little League baseball. That person was wrong.

Then he was told by the Grand Puba Of All Who Umpire that he should go invest in a rule book, where, of course, he cannot possibly find the answer to his question.

Perhaps maybe he would like just a good example of an accepted mechanic for this play. Hmmmmmmm?????

Dan,

Just give the physical strike 3 mechanic of your choosing, then make a safe motion with your arms while saying, "No Catch!" Then, if there is no R3, trail the play up the 1st base line (straddling the grass/dirt) and watch for swipe tag/pulled foot. On uncaught 3rd strikes with 1st base occupied with less than 2 outs, simply give the physical strike 3 signal, with a verbal "batter's out" or "he's out" to avoid confusion.

Now, this is probably not the "official" mechanic, and other umpires will do it differently, and no doubt tell me I'm full of crap, etc. This is but one good method that works, and will not end up like the Eddings fiasco of 2005.

[aceholleran]

Tonight, Eddie Rap did the "no catch" mechanic after signaling a swing on strike three. He did it it swiftly and compactly. IMHO, it was good, crisp communication.

I am biased here, but I thought Rap did a superb plate job on Sunday's NYY/BOS marathon.

Ace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Dan,

Just give the physical strike 3 mechanic of your choosing, then make a safe motion with your arms while saying, "No Catch!" Then, if there is no R3, trail the play up the 1st base line (straddling the grass/dirt) and watch for swipe tag/pulled foot. On uncaught 3rd strikes with 1st base occupied with less than 2 outs, simply give the physical strike 3 signal, with a verbal "batter's out" or "he's out" to avoid confusion.

Now, this is probably not the "official" mechanic, and other umpires will do it differently, and no doubt tell me I'm full of crap, etc. This is but one good method that works, and will not end up like the Eddings fiasco of 2005.

I would not give a safe signal in this situation. I would do anything. I also do not like the punch or "out" mechanic as my strike. I think the safe mechanic puts you in a bind. I would let the play go and if I clearly do not have a catch I will not "out" the batter. If a catcher is unsure, they should tag the batter and most of this is over. The Edding's situation was much more about what the catcher did than what the umpire called. If the catcher would have just tagged the batter, much of what had happen would have never taken place.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not give a safe signal in this situation. I would do anything. I also do not like the punch or "out" mechanic as my strike. I think the safe mechanic puts you in a bind. I would let the play go and if I clearly do not have a catch I will not "out" the batter. If a catcher is unsure, they should tag the batter and most of this is over. The Edding's situation was much more about what the catcher did than what the umpire called. If the catcher would have just tagged the batter, much of what had happen would have never taken place.

Peace

Yeah, like I said, there are other ways. Rut has just given another. But, the safe signal was used by Ed Rapuano, as Ace pointed out, so at least it's getting some play in the bigs.