Ejections

[DG]

Base coach - "he was safe, you were out of position. That's a horrible call"
Me - nothing, I'm on my way to RF, not to have a conversation with PU.

Base coach from the dugout - "he was out of position". I pay him no attention & he says "he was safe, he made a horrible call".
Me - nothing, I'm already in RF and he has not made a PPP (personal, profane, or prolonged) comment.

PU has no business in this, unless the coach makes a personal or profane comment that I can't hear from RF. Since he is in the dugout "prolonged" is not an issue.

[pdxblue]

"you know better than to argue coach, that is enough"???

Poleeeeeeeeeeeease! They usually DON'T know better, which is why they do.

Give them a little bit of "release" time. Ask them if they want to hear what you seen. If not, turn a walk away. If they do, explain what you seen, then turn and walk away.

If they start to repeat themselves, tell them "This conversation is over". If they keep after you, put your hand up, palm facing them and say "Coach, that is enough arguing the call. No more!!!" in a loud voice. THEN if he says any more about the call, eject him.

It is important to give the verbal warning loud enough for everybody to hear, and to also state "arguing the call". You have at that point listened to what he has to say, in a calm matter (everybody seen that), and he is still arguing so you have issued a warning, complete with the physical warning sign (your arm straight out with palm facing him). If he keeps arguing, NOBODY in the park can possibly blame you for ejecting him!

Trust me, this works like a charm, but it is important that you do everything right.

Statements like "you know better than to argue" is NOT a warning, and "cut it out" is a weak order. "No more arguing the call" with your palm out towards him is a very obvious warning, AND a specific order to stop what he is doing.

Give it a try next time and report back your success!

[pdxblue]

And I do NOT agree that the plate ump does not have any business in this. If the base ump is too far away to hear the coach continue on with his obvious attempt to incite the crowd , the plate umpire needs to deal with it! This is a form of bench jocking, and the plate umpire SHOULD be dealing with it. This is no different than say the coach says something stupid like "Blue, you are an idiot" loud enough for a few fans to hear it, but not the base ump. The plate ump BETTER eject that coach, even though the comment isn't directed at him personally. You are a TEAM out there!!!

[DG]

Originally Posted by pdxblue

If the base ump is too far away to hear the coach continue on with his obvious attempt to incite the crowd

What "crowd"? Are they anything like assistants?

PPP

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by pdxblue

And I do NOT agree that the plate ump does not have any business in this. If the base ump is too far away to hear the coach continue on with his obvious attempt to incite the crowd , the plate umpire needs to deal with it! This is a form of bench jocking, and the plate umpire SHOULD be dealing with it. This is no different than say the coach says something stupid like "Blue, you are an idiot" loud enough for a few fans to hear it, but not the base ump. The plate ump BETTER eject that coach, even though the comment isn't directed at him personally. You are a TEAM out there!!!

I know in LL the plate ump is also the Umpire-in-chief. So yeah i do agree, the umpires are a team

[aceholleran]

When I am BU, I don't jump into my pard's game. If he wants to let participants rag his zone, he's making his own bed.

Sometimes, if I feel there is overt gesturing going on (a personal peeve) at PU's work, I will inform him, only if he cannot see it. Every field is laid out differently. On some diamonds, it's easy for weasels to hide from PU's view and put on a show.

I even jumped in once, in a 3-man game (I was U3), where U1's work was being physically ridiculed by multiple coaches in 1B dugout (between innings, with U1 down the RF line). I deemed the gesturing overly large and prolonged, which got the fans going.

But, in general, I am with Fronny. Let each of us pick his battles; jump in only when reinforcements are necessary.

Ace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

I know in LL the plate ump is also the Umpire-in-chief. So yeah i do agree, the umpires are a team

Being umpire in chief does not mean the umpire is the "boss" on the field. It means he has specific responsibilities.

[Clint Lawson]

Originally Posted by DG

Base coach - "he was safe, you were out of position. That's a horrible call"
Me - nothing, I'm on my way to RF, not to have a conversation with PU.

Base coach from the dugout - "he was out of position". I pay him no attention & he says "he was safe, he made a horrible call".
Me - nothing, I'm already in RF and he has not made a PPP (personal, profane, or prolonged) comment.

PU has no business in this, unless the coach makes a personal or profane comment that I can't hear from RF. Since he is in the dugout "prolonged" is not an issue.

Stop umpiring with cotton in your ears. Don't let people yell at you or about you. If they say it were you can hear it. They want you to hear. So address it. Shut them up by yelling at them or run them.
Clint Lawson

[spots101]

Originally Posted by Clint Lawson

Stop umpiring with cotton in your ears.

[ctblu40]

EJ's are tough to discuss here because they are usually YHTBT situations. That being said, I agree with DG's point of view on this. If the coach is simply voicing displeasure with your call and questioning your positioning, you need to ignor it and head to RF. If he begins to get personal, now you have a problem.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

EJ's are tough to discuss here because they are usually YHTBT situations. That being said, I agree with DG's point of view on this. If the coach is simply voicing displeasure with your call and questioning your positioning, you need to ignor it and head to RF. If he begins to get personal, now you have a problem.

What the heck is YHTBT?

I did figure out that EJ's means ejections.

Oy Vey, is it that hard to spell out a few words?

Joe

[RonRef]

Let's remember one thing, these are 9/10 year old kids and by not addressing this coach we are telling them his behavior is okay. Sportmanship must be stressed especially at the young level, it is OUR job to enforce it. A coach only gets ONE warning, the second time is an ejection. As for the PU, last time I checked we are a crew, you must protect each other and have each others backs.

[dokeeffe]

Originally Posted by RonRef

Let's remember one thing, these are 9/10 year old kids and by not addressing this coach we are telling them his behavior is okay. Sportmanship must be stressed especially at the young level, it is OUR job to enforce it. A coach only gets ONE warning, the second time is an ejection. As for the PU, last time I checked we are a crew, you must protect each other and have each others backs.

Good point. Player's, especially at this age, reflect their coach or coaches. Let him get away with what he did and you are going to have problems with players shortly. Bet on it. Better to dump the coach and keep the kids in line and in the game. At the high school level and above, I'm going to ignore it. If the coach at that level is so stupid as to lead his players into concentrating on me as opposed to their jobs --- have at it.

[DG]

Originally Posted by RonRef

Let's remember one thing, these are 9/10 year old kids and by not addressing this coach we are telling them his behavior is okay. Sportmanship must be stressed especially at the young level, it is OUR job to enforce it. A coach only gets ONE warning, the second time is an ejection. As for the PU, last time I checked we are a crew, you must protect each other and have each others backs.

It's not my job to teach the parents of 9/10 year olds how a coach should behave. If the parents want to deal with him they can, and probably will. Sportsmanship can not be "umpired" into existence. I don't give warnings. I give commands. My fuse is extremely short when the comments directed to me are personal or profane and a little bit longer for prolonged (obviously). But I ignore coaches and fans who make a couple comments about the quality of my umpiring, unless of course it's an assistant, on the field, with a complaint.

[CJN]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

What the heck is YHTBT?

I did figure out that EJ's means ejections.

Oy Vey, is it that hard to spell out a few words?

Joe

YHTBT is You had to be there