Is it Blues or Coaches Responsibility

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Earlier this year, last pitch of the game, warning already issued, i got slammed with a bat in my forearm. It was so bad that I went down to a knee and barely could signal out for the line drive caught by F4. I held my arm walking off the field. Nobody noticed until I walked into the press box to get my keys, and a cute mom said "I saw that, are you ok". She was my nurse, and got me an icepack.

Coaches never knew. I was too pissed to toss the kid, or talk to a coach about it. 2 weeks later and my bruise is still there.

If it was intentional, you should have ejected anyway.

If it was unintentional, and FED, you should have ejected anyway (since you had warned).

If it was unintentional and not FED, follow whatever the local rules are (the pure OBR rule is "suck it up." -- and I don't mean to minimize the pain by saying that)

[lmathews19]

In FED when you eject a kid at the end of a game for doing something like this, what is the penalty? Is it just a one-game suspension or is there no suspension? Also, about the flinging the bat thing, is there really a rule against this in FED. I mean, in most youth ball I see umpires warning kids for slinging their bats and they will call them out if they do it again, but I thought this was just a youth rule and not an "official" rule. I have just told them not to do it again, and that has always worked for me. By the way PWL, next time you post something, why don't you make it worth reading and not be a smarta$$?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by lmathews19

By the way PWL, next time you post something, why don't you make it worth reading and not be a smarta$$?

It wasn't that long ago I would have said, "the next time would be the first," but he's actually been slightly better recently.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by lmathews19

In FED when you eject a kid at the end of a game for doing something like this, what is the penalty? Is it just a one-game suspension or is there no suspension?

Depends on the State / League. Most areas have a suspension (I think)

Also, about the flinging the bat thing, is there really a rule against this in FED.

FED 3-3-1c and 3-3-1m. It's an ejection, not an out (after a warning, if appropriate).

I

mean, in most youth ball I see umpires warning kids for slinging their bats and they will call them out if they do it again, but I thought this was just a youth rule and not an "official" rule.

Sometimes the ump is making something up; sometimes it's a local rule.

[TussAgee11]

Even the youth leagues, the batter is never OUT! He is removed from the bases and ejected. You cannot be out for throwing a bat.

My game was OBR, I just sucked it up and played patient with my hot nurse

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Even the youth leagues, the batter is never OUT! He is removed from the bases and ejected. You cannot be out for throwing a bat.

My game was OBR, I just sucked it up and played patient with my hot nurse

Not so fast,my friend. Under Dizzy Dean Baseball (tm) rules, after a
warning for throwing the bat once, a batter CAN be declared out for
a second offense.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

Not so fast,my friend. Under Dizzy Dean Baseball (tm) rules, after a
warning for throwing the bat once, a batter CAN be declared out for
a second offense.

Taking a quick look at the rules section of Dizzy Dean's website, it appears that rule is only in place for coach-pitch level munchkins. It goes away when they turn 9.

[DG]

1. I don't concern myself with the "next crew". I have never thought about the next crew.

2. I umpire the last pitch just like the first one, with one exception

So, if a player does something after the last pitch that would get him ejected after the first pitch, I eject him.

In FED, carelessly throwing a bat is a team warning and next player ejected. For deliberately throwing a bat or helmet an ejection is warranted. Judgement as to careless or deliberate is the umpire's responsibility. Unless he says something personal or profane to me after the last pitch I lean toward careless, and head for the car, and expect the coach to deal with it. Whether he does or not is his business not mine.

The exception is I don't bother to issue a careless warning as I am heading out the gate, since it has no meaning after a game.

[Saltydog]

Seems there's two issues here. The first is the 'I'm mad throw' and the second is the 'I can't hang on throw'.

As a Coach I've never had a kid (9-14) dumped for the first. However, that is probably because I pounce the kid before Blue has the chance and somewhat harder I'm sure. Plus we have an impromtu team meeting right there that ends usually with 'the next guy.....' However, if he got dumped all you would hear from me is a sideline conversation of 'remember what we talked about in practice!' I feel part of being a quality athlete is self discipline.

With regard to the guy that can't hang on... as the Commish in our 9-10s, I wrote a local rule similar to FED; first time 'you're out' and a team warning. Second time and that player is out and ejected'. I told the Coaches and parents it was a SAFETY issue. No complaints, and the bats stopped flying. Sometimes a tough call though... tracking the ball and trying to figure out if the bat rattling against the fence was flipped or flung, but believe it or not, almost to a man the Coaches backed Blue up on this one and would 'call' their own guy out if Blue missed it.

I've always wondered why OBR didn't address this. One time when I was filling in as an 'Umpire', I had a Coach during the inning change mention to me after a warning that I couldn't really dump the player could I? I just smiled and said '9.01 (c), (d) say I can... and don't pull your book out either'. (I'd say if you can't hang onto your bat, then you're not exhibiting the sportsmanship necessary to play the game.:-) But then again, I'm untrained.

SD

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by Saltydog

With regard to the guy that can't hang on... as the Commish in our 9-10s, I wrote a local rule similar to FED; first time 'you're out' and a team warning. Second time and that player is out and ejected'. I told the Coaches and parents it was a SAFETY issue.

The rule you wrote is not "similar to FED" - FED does not call the batter out for carelessly throwing a bat. No national youth program has such a rule, either.

If it's a SAFETY issue, then why apply a gameplay penalty? Why not simply warn for a first offense and eject for a subsequent one?