DB Strike in Little League

[UmpJM]

Stat-Man,

I see SD Steve caught the drift of your question and I did not.

You are correct in your understanding on the question you pose.
The reason it is NOT "splitting hairs", is because no runners can advance on the "dead ball strike three", while if the BR is thrown out on a fair batted ball (assuming less than two outs at the time) any other runners would be free to attempt to advance.

JM

[BigUmp56]

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to show us the error of our ways in giving rulings. He'll no doubt claim that a batted ball that hits the hands first is a live ball in play if it's caught by a second fielder on a deflection over the grandstands.


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to show us the error of our ways in giving rulings. He'll no doubt claim that a batted ball that hits the hands first is a live ball in play if it's caught by a second fielder on a deflection over the grandstands.


Tim.

Now Tim, let's play nice now!

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Now Tim, let's play nice now!

Like that's going to make a difference. I've tried before, only to have it thrown back in my face.


Tim.

[LakeErieUmp]

Tim - to be accurate wouldn't we want to explain it as a ball DEFLECTING into fair territory, not a ball "hit" into fair territory. This is not nit-picking (i don't think), it's more like the accuracy of a "foul tip" existing only if it's caught. And there is a big difference between a hit (batted) ball and a hit batsmen.

Otherwise, nice discussion here.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp

Tim - to be accurate wouldn't we want to explain it as a ball DEFLECTING into fair territory, not a ball "hit" into fair territory. This is not nit-picking (i don't think), it's more like the accuracy of a "foul tip" existing only if it's caught. And there is a big difference between a hit (batted) ball and a hit batsmen.

Otherwise, nice discussion here.

I see what you mean

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp

Tim - to be accurate wouldn't we want to explain it as a ball DEFLECTING into fair territory, not a ball "hit" into fair territory. This is not nit-picking (i don't think), it's more like the accuracy of a "foul tip" existing only if it's caught. And there is a big difference between a hit (batted) ball and a hit batsmen.

Otherwise, nice discussion here.

I'm not sure if my sarcasm was lost on you, or yours on me.


Tim.

[LakeErieUmp]

I didn't write mine with any sarcasm so maybe i missed yours.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'm not sure if my sarcasm was lost on you, or yours on me.


Tim.

Tim,

I didn't think he was being sarcastic. I believe he was referring to your use of the word "hit" in your initial post on this thread - which might lead a neophyte to believe that the ball had been "batted" - rather than "deflecting" off the batter before ending up in fair territory.

I don't believe he was suggesting you were unaware of this distinction (nor am I), but rather there might be a better way to express your comment in a more "technically correct" way.

JM