Worst Coach Tirade Ever?

[dontcallmeblue]

Here's the bottom line guys. The argument was 1 on 1. Until contact occurs or somebody else gets involved, arguments stay that way and the partner will not get involved. He'll let his partner take care of his own problems, as he should. Also, for those who said they looked like mannequins, who looked like the jerk here? I commend them for maintaining their compsure and professionalism.

[BigUmp56]

I disagree. A myriad of potential problems can be avoided by stepping in and walking an irrate coach away from your partner. Why wait until he does something even more stupid and bumps your partner or throws a punch for that matter. It's best to head it off before it escalates.


Tim.

[SCUMP]

big56 i agree. once the bu ejected the manager the pu should have at the very least been near his partner, to at least try to step in an escort the manager off the field. to stand at the plate and become a spectator is not what is expected.

watch any ejection in mlb you will always see other umpires stepping in once there is an ejection. you dont just let your partner sit there and take abuse.

many times it keeps an ugly situation from getting worse.

[SCUMP]

dontcallme....i'll call you..... by the way that didn't look like much of an argument.

it looked more like a one sided a$$ chewing and two sign post taking the chewing.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by SCUMP

dontcallme....i'll call you..... by the way that didn't look like much of an argument.

it looked more like a one sided a$$ chewing and two sign post taking the chewing.

SCUMP,
You do mean two PROFESSIONAL sign posts right?

[SCUMP]

without a doubt professional being the optimum word.

[ctblu40]

ok... just remember that

[SCUMP]

i know they are young umpires, pros no less but i would have expected a little more reaction from both guys and "at least" an attempt by the pu to get the manager off the yard.

the manager may have still gone crazy but you can't sit back and watch your partner fry and make no effort at all.

[BigUmp56]

Take a look at how the first two situations were handled in this video. This is how I expect myself and my partners to act in a potentially volatile situation.

Video


Tim.

[TussAgee11]

Agree, Big Ump. A partner should be coming in and playing rodeo clown ASAP.

[SCUMP]

for sure big56....

[Sal Giaco]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I disagree. A myriad of potential problems can be avoided by stepping in and walking an irrate coach away from your partner. Why wait until he does something even more stupid and bumps your partner or throws a punch for that matter. It's best to head it off before it escalates.


Tim.

Guys,
Different levels treat arugments different ways. As "Don'tcallme blue" said PRO ball generally treats it one on one (even after the ejection) unless there is contact. After most ejections, the umpire stands his ground, let's the manager/player gets his monies/fine worth (within reason) and then the discussion's over. In amateur ball, including college, the umpire walks away after the ejection and his partner comes in to peel the guy off.

This situation was very unique and I'm guessing the reason the PU did not come up was because he knew it would have been a "rodeo clown" situation and that would have probably been worse. Instead, he stayed back and wrote down everything on the line up card so they could get it right for the report. He also handled it well when the manager came up to him by just walking away. There's really not much you can do when a manager explodes like that.

Generally speaking, when a heated discussion is going on, the nearest umpire should walk (don't jog/run over towards the argument) and get in the vicinity to wear you can hear what's be said. Keep other coaches/players away from the discussion but don't involve yourself either. When the ejection happens, let the guys have their final say and then move in if necessary

[SCUMP]

sal i agree with a lot of what you said but the pu was not even in ear shot.

also i do not think that the managers tirade would have lasted three mins if the pu had made an attempt to remove the manager by stepping in. even at the big league level you see it all the time, after the ejection and the manager has his say one or more of the umpires steps in to try to difuse the situation.

[JRutledge]

What also needs to be stated is at the amateur level this would not have gone on very long because the threat of a forfeit would be in order. They ejection would bring an automatic suspension (usually) and any further action would bring more games as a suspension. We have seen before tirades with Lou Pinellia (sp?) and Billy Martin and no suspensions were issued. This is pro ball and you do not see umpires coming to the rescue to handle these disputes. Also if you notice the manager went into the dugout and came out. These guys did as they are told and let this guy rant and rant. We cannot compare our LL experience to what takes place in a Minor League game. It is not an appropriate response to have umpires come to the rescue in situations like this at the pro level. Just like you cannot compare a college game to a HS game. There are different levels of expectations and the penalties are quite different.

Peace

[lawump]

Originally Posted by SCUMP

sal i agree with a lot of what you said but the pu was not even in ear shot.

also i do not think that the managers tirade would have lasted three mins if the pu had made an attempt to remove the manager by stepping in. even at the big league level you see it all the time, after the ejection and the manager has his say one or more of the umpires steps in to try to difuse the situation.

Length of tirade aside...the real issue is:

Is the coach "mainstream" Christian or a member of some fringe "Christrian" group, or none of the above?...

Oh, wait...wrong thread.

Oh, wait, that thread's been locked...what the F....