Worst Coach Tirade Ever?

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by LMan

I can see what the manager was saying about "mannequins." Haha jeez.


But really, are we supposed to handle ourselves like these umpires and just flat out TAKE this abuse after an ejection? Where were the other umpires to try to escort this coach away (like i've seen in NCAA video bulletins)? Are we really supossed to stand there like mannequins and just let the coach unload on us like this if this would ever happen to us?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bossman72

I can see what the manager was saying about "mannequins." Haha jeez.


But really, are we supposed to handle ourselves like these umpires and just flat out TAKE this abuse after an ejection? Where were the other umpires to try to escort this coach away (like i've seen in NCAA video bulletins)? Are we really supossed to stand there like mannequins and just let the coach unload on us like this if this would ever happen to us?

Exactly. Where the HELL is the plate umpire to pick and roll this idiot off the base umpire? I'd never let my partner hung out to dry like the plate umpire did. And I'm just a lowly little amateur.

[tmp44]

Originally Posted by bossman72

I can see what the manager was saying about "mannequins." Haha jeez.


But really, are we supposed to handle ourselves like these umpires and just flat out TAKE this abuse after an ejection? Where were the other umpires to try to escort this coach away (like i've seen in NCAA video bulletins)? Are we really supossed to stand there like mannequins and just let the coach unload on us like this if this would ever happen to us?

This was Single A ball, so its very possible that it was a 2-man crew. Now, maybe the PU should have tried to intervene at the beginning, but once the coach started after him, what else is there to do besides turn around and walk away?

And as far as taking the abuse, honestly Bossman what would you have done? Yelled back at him while he was squirting the plate with a water bottle? There's an old saying: Fight fools with silence. Works everytime for me .

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by tmp44

This was Single A ball, so its very possible that it was a 2-man crew. Now, maybe the PU should have tried to intervene at the beginning, but once the coach started after him, what else is there to do besides turn around and walk away?

i dont see how there is a difference between the beginning of an argument and the middle of it...its an argument no matter how you put it. just because i dont catch the coach before he can get out there doesnt mean im giving him a free ticket to stay out there. when its time to get in there, its time to get in there. i havent seen the video so i dont know where in teh sequence that picture came from, but i personally dont think theres a time to just walk away and let the house burn down.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

i dont see how there is a difference between the beginning of an argument and the middle of it...its an argument no matter how you put it. just because i dont catch the coach before he can get out there doesnt mean im giving him a free ticket to stay out there. when its time to get in there, its time to get in there. i havent seen the video so i dont know where in teh sequence that picture came from, but i personally dont think theres a time to just walk away and let the house burn down.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the 'Old school' solution of getting right back in the manager/coach/player's face are over. MiLB want's the umpires to let them vent (As long as he isn't attacking anyone) until he leaves. Let the league president deal with it by way of fine &/or suspension.

The video doesn't show if the PU was there ready to peeel the mgr off. I will ask the crew if they want to make any comments AFTER the league is done with whatever they do.

Frankly, as gutless as Moss (SAL President) is, had one of the umpires said 'boo' he would suspend them. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Mikilik get's away with a small fine and a game or two suspension (If any).

As an umpire it SUCKS! I was taught and came up using the old school method. Only take so much, then fire right back. As a fill-in (Pre-strike) I did have a couple league presidents ask me to back down, so I modified things a tad ... but just a tad.

[pdxblue]

I shocked a rookie a couple of weeks ago in a game when I was shouting back at a coach (who I know pretty well, and we get along great normally). The noob actually tried to break up the arguement. LOL I chewed HIS *** for that after the game. How dare him get in the middle of my perfectly good "show" for the fans.

No ejections though.

[DG]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the 'Old school' solution of getting right back in the manager/coach/player's face are over. MiLB want's the umpires to let them vent (As long as he isn't attacking anyone) until he leaves. Let the league president deal with it by way of fine &/or suspension.

The video doesn't show if the PU was there ready to peeel the mgr off. I will ask the crew if they want to make any comments AFTER the league is done with whatever they do.

Frankly, as gutless as Moss (SAL President) is, had one of the umpires said 'boo' he would suspend them. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Mikilik get's away with a small fine and a game or two suspension (If any).

As an umpire it SUCKS! I was taught and came up using the old school method. Only take so much, then fire right back. As a fill-in (Pre-strike) I did have a couple league presidents ask me to back down, so I modified things a tad ... but just a tad.

I can't remember a MLB case where the umpire took so much abuse without giving as good as he got. Is this what it takes to get to the show, where you can unload on the guy. These guys were comatose.

[pdxblue]

Originally Posted by DG

I can't remember a MLB case where the umpire took so much abuse without giving as good as he got. Is this what it takes to get to the show, where you can unload on the guy. These guys were comatose.

They are probably comatose because they have absolutely NO idea what to say back!

They are probably about 24 years old, only have umpired at most 2 years, and probably DID blow the call! LOL

Single A umps are not all that great. They truely are rookies in umpiring circles. You can train them all you want, but until they get 500 games under their belt, they are going to do bonehead stuff, and not deal with situations very well.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I think Mikulik was hoping that the umpires would argue back and give as good as he did. I believe that this is what prompted his "Sears mannequin" remark and the association training remark, because these two umpires have the personalities of a bag of rocks.

Seven years as a single A manager? Where does he think he's going? That's probably why he goes ballistic, because he knows his days are numbered.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the 'Old school' solution of getting right back in the manager/coach/player's face are over. MiLB want's the umpires to let them vent (As long as he isn't attacking anyone) until he leaves. Let the league president deal with it by way of fine &/or suspension.

i didnt mean in my post that id get back in someones face, i meant that id try to assist my partner and the guy out of there in a non-aggressive way. i know what you are talking about with the old way, and thats not my approach. some level of venting is alright to me, but it seems like a bit much was allowed here. of course this is an extreme situation where the guy clearly went off the deep end, but even in a "normal" heated situation i think there has to be somewhat of an attempt by the partner to help calm the situation and split things up. im not as trained as these guys are, so maybe im off here, plus i havent seen teh video, but ah ill just leave it at that until i can get the video working...

[Peruvian]

ESPN just reported he got a seven day suspension and a $1000 fine.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by Peruvian

ESPN just reported he got a seven day suspension and a $1000 fine.

You are correct, sir.

ANAHEIM, Ca. – Rockies pitcher Scott Dohmann said what makes Joe Mikulik special to play for in the minor leagues is Miulik’s passion for the game.
Mikulik, however, got a little too passionate in his job as manager of the Rockies Single-A Asheville affiliate during the weekend, and faces a week-long suspension and $1,000 fine, the Rocky Mountain News learned.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by DG

These guys were comatose.

They don't seem to be back in mid-season form yet, that's for sure. Or, having just come back, they are terrified of fighting back/calling attention to themselves as they have been shown to be in a quite vulnerable position IRT MiLB.


Or, they are just exhausted from carrying those picket signs for so long

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by tmp44

And as far as taking the abuse, honestly Bossman what would you have done?

Stone Cold Stunner, and he'd be out for the count.

Oh yes, complete with the middle fingers and violent drinking of beer afterwards.


But seriously, i don't know if i would just take it like that with a blank expression on my face and let the manager unload. The manager is probably thinking "what the hell- is this guy from The Piano?" I personally wouldn't have done the "mime technique" as these guys did in the video...

[ctblu40]

Nothing... these guys handled this situation properly IMO. As for the plate umpire coming out to break this situation up, he got it next. When a coach, player, or manager goes this mental, do you honestly believe that you could quietly escort him off the field? He threw a frickin' base for crying out loud! There are no polite words that will calm this idiot down. The best thing to do, I think, is just as these two professionals did... give him room (but don't back away) and try not to get hit by flying bases.

BTW- in umpire school, these guys are instructed on how to handle situations. The training includes the instructors going mental, as well as other things such as batters charging mound, bench clears, ect.